lesson 13 -------- Naisargika Mitra or Shatru: Natural Friends and enemies, Mysticism, reading, forums, Numerology, Sun Signs, Divination

Posts: 1431 · Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:10 am

Hi Vivek,
It is nice to see that learning forum is geting more vibrant for sometime.
Vivek ji I was as usual going trough previous lessons once again.
and stumble over this chapter and the query which you have asked.

Though it is bit tough to figure out this one but let me put my point of view.
Few things which are common in upachaya sthans 3,6 , 10 and 11.

First of all in Kaalpurush chart these are owned by mercury and saturn so they might be taken wit a view keeping them in mind. Also
Mercury and saturn are in extreme end of solar system i.e. mercury has got the smallest orbit around sun and saturn got largest orbit.

Upachaya means house of growth or as some people believe houses where we can apply our freewill..

May be this is the reason for Planet in mooltrikona to be inimical to the planets owning 3,6,10 and 11 from its mooltrikona raashi coz this will let it loose its right over life as this is the place where native can apply his/he freewill..

Also as 1-5-9 are Dharma trikona, 3rd and 11th are 7th from them respectively..thus maranakaraka sthan for 5th and 9th thus 3 and 11th are inimical houses.

and if you see 6th is 8th from 11th AND 10th is 8th from 3rd thus together they become not a house to be liked by mooltrikona house of any planet..

Also 7th house because it is exactly opposite to what is propert or belives of mooltrikona raashi.For example:- sun and saturn owns exactly oppoite mooltrikona raashis coz their own believes represented by their signs do not coincide.

This is all i was able to figure out relation between these houses but still got doubts in my mind.

Like why they are inimical house.Even if they are obstruction for DHARMA coz they are houses of prosperity (is it just materislistic prosperity then it may explain that DHARMA is getting obstructed) thus house for native to put initiative.
Please put your point to clarify this doubt.

Regards,
Raman

vivekvshetty wrote:

Raman Deep Singh wrote:

Dear Vivek ji,

you r right i dont expect to be spoon fed, though i did think of a probable answer but thought lets ask rather then making guesses.....

According to me and as per what i have read :- Since it is thought that When in Mooltrikona planet is like in its office unlike in exhaltation, own house etc.. state...Thus he is behaving more responsibily and sincerely and not like in Exhalted state where it is more like in most happy and excited state , For example(im using example from this forum i have read about a while ago not sure who wrote it)in exhalted state it is like an happy elephant taking bath in river thus behaving more naturally. In Mooltrikona state it is like leading his fellow elephants and guiding them though the forest thus he knows whats right and whats wrong and has to behave more responsibly. He know which ways can create problem(ENEMIES) for his fellows and dependents,For which he can take chances(NEUTRAL PLANETS) and which ways he can be sure of(FRIENDS).Since being in the state of office he has to take decision more thoughtfully and can taken for granted only those things and facts which are permanent

This is what i feel to be a reason for considering naisargik relationship of planets from Mooltrikona.

I hope i havent disappointed you

.

Regards,
Raman

Namaskaar Raman ji,
we are sure no one is disappointed. it was a bulls eye reply.
the elephant illustration was given w.r.t Guru's exalation. Ofcourse this can be suitably extended to the other Grahas.
But why the Upachayas and the seventh from the office of the Graha? What makes the Graha treat these places as enemies?
RishiRahul and vivek.

Posts: 961 · Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:46 pm

Namaskaar Raman ji,
We thought of a more down to earth reason. Upacahyas are about growth, which translate to more work. nobody likes more workload and hence the feeling of enmity.
There may be other reasons, we will update the forum if we come across another more convincing reason.
RishiRahul and vivek.

Posts: 1431 · Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:26 pm

Thank you Vivek ji, So its like human emotion who does not like to push themseleves

and prefer to get things done easily ..

Regards,
Raman

Posts: 31 · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:04 pm

Dear vivekji and rahul ji,
I have some doubts...

1.What really is meant by the office of a graha?
2.what is the meaning of "moolatrikona"?
2.what type of duties are being handled there ?
3.Is there a difference between duties carried out there and the duties planets get by lordship (in bhavas)?
4.I have read that past life karmas come through moolatrikona.what does that mean?
5.why is the office of a graha lorded by itself sometimes and sometimes it is not so? what is the difference?
6.why the offices of buddha and rahu coincide in kanya?
7.Moolatrikona of venus and mars , sani and surya, buddha/rahu and ketu are situated opposite to each other which shows mutual enimity among offices but moolatrikona that of jupiter and moon doesnt hav enimical offices in their opposites.is their any significance here?

priyesh