Namaskaar All learners,
The following sentence was given as a thumb rule to find out what result a Graha will give when it is a Natural benefic but a functional malefic or vice versa.
To see which of the two result will dominate apply this dictum - if the Graha is strong then the Beneficial result will dominate otherwise the malefic effect will be felt more.
What this means is that if a Graha which is a natural benefic but a functional malefic, is strong then it will give Beneficial results due to its nature as a natural benefic. If it is weak it will give malefic results due it being a functional malefic.
Same way if it is a natural malefic but a functional benefic and is weak then it will give Malefic results due to its nature as a natural malefic. If it is strong then it will give Benefic results due to ite nature as a functional benefic.
RishiRahul and vivek.

Thank you rishirahul ji and Vivek ji for replying.

Now if jup is not in its own house or friendly house and is in lagna for capricon lagna thus is deb. In this case jup should be more related to 3rd and 12 house's malefic effects..

The native with capricor lagna and jup in lagan i.e. deb jup.Since jup is in 11th house from 3rd house(which also happens to be an upachaya sthan) and is deb. thus native should have to work harder and get less gain out of it.Will also loose money or have loss coz of his brother esp younger if any but there z also posibility that native wont be having a younger brother..

vivek and Rishiahul=The native should work harder, but gets less QUALITATIVE gain out of it......Yes.
Thee lose money part is qualitative; which means in terms of the effort given due to hard work, even if he earns a lot, he feels the losing out/expense is more.
About the younger brother it could be or may not be.... extending too much imagination here.

Also jup is i 2nd house from 12th house thus peson will less accumalatin of money and may also loose money from foreign dealing.He shudnt be geting a good night sleep and wont feel good when he is at home,thus we can say he wont be getting a good night sleep when being at home...In both lordship we see that placement of jup in lagna gets  some how(directly or indirectly) related to money..
1.lagna is 11th house(labha sthan) from 3rd house
2.lagna is 2nd house(house of accumalated wealth and family) from 12th house.

vivek and Rishiahul=Expenses would be higher, but due to good causes. if Jupiter is not afflicted.
12th. lord shows expenses and the nature, position and aspects to it determine the causes.
Regarding foreign dealings could be extending imagination too much.
Good nights sleep being affected by this is not reasonable... or you could state why you think so?

Thus for sure he wil have money lose coz of this combination.

Please let me know how far this can be right.

Regards,
Raman[/quote]


vivek and Rishiahul=Again all these plus and minuses become simpler due to the thumb rule.



vivek and RishiRahul

Dear Vivekji and Rishiji,

You had asked what happens if Mars for kark lagna goes to 7th. I would like to list my understanding. Please validate them for me.

Areas affected - 5, 7 and 10

1) Exalted Poorva Punyathipathi means the native has very good past karma

2) The native will be interested in business rather than working under someone (Ofcourse other factors like sun's, Mercury's placement also important, Also D-10 is will tell more about his career than Rasi chart).

3) Yogakaraka and 10th lord in 7th means the native's business will flourish.

4) The person is very duty minded (10th lord is 10th from 10th - Bhavatbhavam)

5) Children will join native's business (because 5th lord comes to 7th). And they will be very happy assisting the native's karma (5th lord exalted)

6) Communcation with outer world is aggressive, direct, blunt and straight forward (Ofcourse the influence of 2rd and 3rd lord is also important)

7) Aggressive with life partner and business partners

8) Mars will try to supress materialistic desires like sexual desire (Ofcourse Jupiter's and Venus's influence will also impact desire for chidren and sex)

9) Mars will give spiritual desires (Mars is a celebate and great bhaktha of lord shiva)


How does 10th lord in 7 means late rise? So where will the 10th lord promote early rise?


why so?

One Last Big question.

Am I on the right track? Or am i getting confused with lot of imagination? At this stage I am building my foundation and seeking approval from learned people like you. If I get a green signal it will give me encouragement; otherwise it will atleast give me oppurtunity to improve. So please reply and give me a direction.

Om Tat Sat
Deepak

Vivekji/Rishiji,


Sorry to add to your burden of questions.

Though many examples have been cited, since most used wonership of dusthanas that have negative siginifications,  I am still not clear how (if at all) the malefic nature of 3rd/11th lords manifest in respect of these bhavas. For e.g, for Libra ascendant Guru owns 3rd and 5th. BPHS classifies it as malefic.

From the examples cited, I understand that it will negatively affect the bhavas it is in and aspects.

But what about significtions of 3rd house (enterprise, spiritual initiation, communication, support from younger siblings..)? If as owner Guru does not promote this, are these significations "orphaned"?

In respect of Virshabh lagan there is another tricky (to me!) issue. Guru is lord of 8th and 11th. Since Guru is also karaka for 11th, does he promote the affairs of 11th (gains) or does he make it suffer?

CRS

Namaskaar CRS ji,
Replies below in Green.

RishiRahul and vivek.