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Posts: 54 · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:31 pm

Vivekji,

I have two questions to your reply

Q1: What if a planet is natural malefic (NM) but functional benefic (FB)? Does being FB override being NM?
What if we consider Cancer lagna. Mars is a functional benefic for the Cancer lagna but a natural malefic. In such a case, how does it work?
Will Mars give effect of benefic/malefic?

Q2: How to arrive at %age beneficity/maleficity?
One more thing: FOr a house signification we have to look at house lord, planets in the house and planets aspecting the house (SAY).
Now the house lord maybe well placed, there maybe malefics aspecting the house as well posited in the house.
In this case, how to say what %age of results will be benefic/malefic?

Thanks
Kiran

vivekvshetty wrote:

Kiana Ji,
Are you sure you got it right?
A funtional malefic is a malefic for a particular chart because it is the lord of a malefic Bhaava.
This malefic influence is carried to the Bhaava it is placed in and aspects, to the Grahas it conjoins and aspects.
Suppose Mangal in the fourth Bhaava for a Kanyaa lagna Jaataka- it is a funtional malefic and also a natural Malefic. Its placement in the fourth will effect all the significations of the fourth (except the kaarakatwa of landed properties).
Its Drishti on the tenth Bhaava will vitiate the professional atmosphere for the native. Its Drishti on the seventh will influence the Marital aspect in a negative way.

Kirana Ji keep asking till you are satisfied with the reply, we dont mind -instead welcome it.
But remember we are not here to spoon feed but to trigger your own understanding, so most of the time a query from you may be answered by a counter question.
the pace of the course is slow because we want a solid grounding in the basics. For this we want participation from as many learners as possible. This will spur us on and keep us on our toes as well as enrich the course contents. This is sadly not the case here and except for a few, most of the learners are silent or not interested.
We want to keep the atmosphere here as informal as possible and hence we are not making answering the Questions posed at the end of each lesson compulsary. May be that is making learners complacent.
RishiRahul and vivek

rkirana wrote:

Oh yes, I got it now:

So significance of a house results from the position of its lord as one of the many factors. If the house is a malefic, then a strong position of the lord can result in malefic occurences and vice versa for benefic houses.

Now, a particular house significations would be affected by the lord of the house, by the lords of other houses that are present in it or occupying in it.
How do we arrive at a benefic/malefic result derivation for the house then.

Rishiji and Vivekji, Pls. let us know

vivekvshetty wrote:

rkirana wrote:

Rishiji and Vivekji

Pls. respond

rkirana wrote:

Rishiji and Vivekji,

I am sorry - but I have not got an answer to my question.

I want to isolate effects on house due to house lord alone.
If house lord of a house is functional benefic, does it mean good things to the house from the house lord. If this is true it is vice-versa when we have functional malefics.

So in this case, is it good if dustana lords are functional malefics (so that they mean negative to significations of the dustana)?

My question is simple:
GIven that one of the signifcators of what a house signifies is the lord of the house, if the lord of the house is benefic (considering effects due to house lord alone), does it mean good for the house significations and vice versa?

Namaskaar Kiran ji,
You have turned the lesson topsy turvy.
The bhaava dictates whether the Lord is a Functional benefic or malefic. You are asking if it is the other way round.
The lord of a beneficial bhaava is a benefic for that chart and lord of a malefic bhaava is a malefic for that chart.

RishiRahul and vivek

Posts: 54 · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:43 pm

If 2H (Wealth) lord is in the 11th house (gain), we predict gain of wealth.
Similarly loss of wealth if 2H Lord is in the 12th house.
11 and 12 H are obviously sitters.

Question 1:
What if it is reverse? Say 12 H Lord is in the 7 H. Can I predict loss of marriage or is it a strictly one way relationship (7H Lord in 12th).
Are 7th Lord in 12th and 12th lord in 7th meaning the same thing or not?

Question 2:
Real test comes when 2H Lord is in 6th house (enemy, injury, diseases, mental tension). Do I predict wealth from enemies, injuries, diseases and mental tension which is absurd?

Take this: 10H lord is in 7H say. Can I say profession from marriage/business partner/wife which is again absurd?

How to make sense of all this?

Regards
Kiran

Posts: 409 · Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:48 pm

Namaskaar Kirana ji,
The Graha will give both the effect.
Natural Benefic/malefic is forever and does not change. A benefic in a Bhaaava is a good placement for the Bhaaava. A malefic (natural) in a Bhaava is bad for the Bhaava.
Temporal Benefic/malefic has more to do with the relationship between the two Bhaavas so linked.
Example: Mangal is a natural malefic and its placement in any Bhaava will tend to spoil the significations of the Bhaava as all the signification of Mangal (refer to the Graha Lesson) will have to be borne by that Bhaava. Some Bhaava will wilt under such intense energy of Mangal (7th bhaava is the best example for this), Some Bhaavas welcome this (6th hous is the fighting poweress and Mangal's placement in it will naturally give power to overcome the bad side of the sixth Bhaava).
It is a functional benefic for Karka and its placement in any Bhaava is good as it will bring the blessings of the Tenth and the fifth Bhaava on the Bhaava it is placed.
If it is an auspicious Bhaava the the Tenth and the Fifth are also benefitted.
If it is placed in an inauspicious Bhaava the there is an linkage or relationship formed between the Bhaavas and here the Bhaavas of which Mangaal is the lord will suffer the effects of this bad placement.

Now suppose Mangal for Kark lagna Kundali is placed in the seventh in Makara, what would you surmise?

RishiRahul and vivek.

rkirana wrote:

Vivekji,

I have two questions to your reply

Q1: What if a planet is natural malefic (NM) but functional benefic (FB)? Does being FB override being NM?
What if we consider Cancer lagna. Mars is a functional benefic for the Cancer lagna but a natural malefic. In such a case, how does it work?
Will Mars give effect of benefic/malefic?

Q2: How to arrive at %age beneficity/maleficity?
One more thing: FOr a house signification we have to look at house lord, planets in the house and planets aspecting the house (SAY).
Now the house lord maybe well placed, there maybe malefics aspecting the house as well posited in the house.
In this case, how to say what %age of results will be benefic/malefic?

Thanks
Kiran

vivekvshetty wrote:

Kiana Ji,
Are you sure you got it right?
A funtional malefic is a malefic for a particular chart because it is the lord of a malefic Bhaava.
This malefic influence is carried to the Bhaava it is placed in and aspects, to the Grahas it conjoins and aspects.
Suppose Mangal in the fourth Bhaava for a Kanyaa lagna Jaataka- it is a funtional malefic and also a natural Malefic. Its placement in the fourth will effect all the significations of the fourth (except the kaarakatwa of landed properties).
Its Drishti on the tenth Bhaava will vitiate the professional atmosphere for the native. Its Drishti on the seventh will influence the Marital aspect in a negative way.

Kirana Ji keep asking till you are satisfied with the reply, we dont mind -instead welcome it.
But remember we are not here to spoon feed but to trigger your own understanding, so most of the time a query from you may be answered by a counter question.
the pace of the course is slow because we want a solid grounding in the basics. For this we want participation from as many learners as possible. This will spur us on and keep us on our toes as well as enrich the course contents. This is sadly not the case here and except for a few, most of the learners are silent or not interested.
We want to keep the atmosphere here as informal as possible and hence we are not making answering the Questions posed at the end of each lesson compulsary. May be that is making learners complacent.
RishiRahul and vivek

rkirana wrote:

Oh yes, I got it now:

So significance of a house results from the position of its lord as one of the many factors. If the house is a malefic, then a strong position of the lord can result in malefic occurences and vice versa for benefic houses.

Now, a particular house significations would be affected by the lord of the house, by the lords of other houses that are present in it or occupying in it.
How do we arrive at a benefic/malefic result derivation for the house then.

Rishiji and Vivekji, Pls. let us know

vivekvshetty wrote:

rkirana wrote:

Rishiji and Vivekji

Pls. respond

rkirana wrote:

Rishiji and Vivekji,

I am sorry - but I have not got an answer to my question.

I want to isolate effects on house due to house lord alone.
If house lord of a house is functional benefic, does it mean good things to the house from the house lord. If this is true it is vice-versa when we have functional malefics.

So in this case, is it good if dustana lords are functional malefics (so that they mean negative to significations of the dustana)?

My question is simple:
GIven that one of the signifcators of what a house signifies is the lord of the house, if the lord of the house is benefic (considering effects due to house lord alone), does it mean good for the house significations and vice versa?

Namaskaar Kiran ji,
You have turned the lesson topsy turvy.
The bhaava dictates whether the Lord is a Functional benefic or malefic. You are asking if it is the other way round.
The lord of a beneficial bhaava is a benefic for that chart and lord of a malefic bhaava is a malefic for that chart.

RishiRahul and vivek

Posts: 54 · Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:34 pm

Vivekji and Rishiji,

Sorry for my incessant questions....Please answer my question below?

I am trying to come up with a set of rules in jyotish so that anyone can predict easily - like in a science.

I need your help in this endeavour.

Regards
Kiran

rkirana wrote:

If 2H (Wealth) lord is in the 11th house (gain), we predict gain of wealth.
Similarly loss of wealth if 2H Lord is in the 12th house.
11 and 12 H are obviously sitters.

Question 1:
What if it is reverse? Say 12 H Lord is in the 7 H. Can I predict loss of marriage or is it a strictly one way relationship (7H Lord in 12th).
Are 7th Lord in 12th and 12th lord in 7th meaning the same thing or not?

Question 2:
Real test comes when 2H Lord is in 6th house (enemy, injury, diseases, mental tension). Do I predict wealth from enemies, injuries, diseases and mental tension which is absurd?

Take this: 10H lord is in 7H say. Can I say profession from marriage/business partner/wife which is again absurd?

How to make sense of all this?

Regards
Kiran

Posts: 54 · Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:42 pm

7H signifies marriage/spouse/business partner and Mangal in 7th house
* being a natural malefic should spoil the signification of the 7H resulting in stormy spouse, frequent quarrels in marriage and fights with business partners

* But Mangal as lord of the 5th and 10th house for Karka lagna will bring Good effects of 5H like intelligence, knowledge and good effects of 10H like good profession and career into 7 H

So in effect we can predict
* Frequent quarrels with spouse and stormy marriage (due to Mangal a malefic in 7H)
* Good effects owing to Karka's yogakaraka mangal like intelligent and knowledgeable wife and wife with a good career

Am I right Rishiji and Vivekji?
I am trying to predict at every step because astrology is of practical use only if we can predict something

vivekvshetty wrote:

Namaskaar Kirana ji,
The Graha will give both the effect.
Natural Benefic/malefic is forever and does not change. A benefic in a Bhaaava is a good placement for the Bhaaava. A malefic (natural) in a Bhaava is bad for the Bhaava.
Temporal Benefic/malefic has more to do with the relationship between the two Bhaavas so linked.
Example: Mangal is a natural malefic and its placement in any Bhaava will tend to spoil the significations of the Bhaava as all the signification of Mangal (refer to the Graha Lesson) will have to be borne by that Bhaava. Some Bhaava will wilt under such intense energy of Mangal (7th bhaava is the best example for this), Some Bhaavas welcome this (6th hous is the fighting poweress and Mangal's placement in it will naturally give power to overcome the bad side of the sixth Bhaava).
It is a functional benefic for Karka and its placement in any Bhaava is good as it will bring the blessings of the Tenth and the fifth Bhaava on the Bhaava it is placed.
If it is an auspicious Bhaava the the Tenth and the Fifth are also benefitted.
If it is placed in an inauspicious Bhaava the there is an linkage or relationship formed between the Bhaavas and here the Bhaavas of which Mangaal is the lord will suffer the effects of this bad placement.

Now suppose Mangal for Kark lagna Kundali is placed in the seventh in Makara, what would you surmise?

RishiRahul and vivek.

rkirana wrote:

Vivekji,

I have two questions to your reply

Q1: What if a planet is natural malefic (NM) but functional benefic (FB)? Does being FB override being NM?
What if we consider Cancer lagna. Mars is a functional benefic for the Cancer lagna but a natural malefic. In such a case, how does it work?
Will Mars give effect of benefic/malefic?

Q2: How to arrive at %age beneficity/maleficity?
One more thing: FOr a house signification we have to look at house lord, planets in the house and planets aspecting the house (SAY).
Now the house lord maybe well placed, there maybe malefics aspecting the house as well posited in the house.
In this case, how to say what %age of results will be benefic/malefic?

Thanks
Kiran

vivekvshetty wrote:

Kiana Ji,
Are you sure you got it right?
A funtional malefic is a malefic for a particular chart because it is the lord of a malefic Bhaava.
This malefic influence is carried to the Bhaava it is placed in and aspects, to the Grahas it conjoins and aspects.
Suppose Mangal in the fourth Bhaava for a Kanyaa lagna Jaataka- it is a funtional malefic and also a natural Malefic. Its placement in the fourth will effect all the significations of the fourth (except the kaarakatwa of landed properties).
Its Drishti on the tenth Bhaava will vitiate the professional atmosphere for the native. Its Drishti on the seventh will influence the Marital aspect in a negative way.

Kirana Ji keep asking till you are satisfied with the reply, we dont mind -instead welcome it.
But remember we are not here to spoon feed but to trigger your own understanding, so most of the time a query from you may be answered by a counter question.
the pace of the course is slow because we want a solid grounding in the basics. For this we want participation from as many learners as possible. This will spur us on and keep us on our toes as well as enrich the course contents. This is sadly not the case here and except for a few, most of the learners are silent or not interested.
We want to keep the atmosphere here as informal as possible and hence we are not making answering the Questions posed at the end of each lesson compulsary. May be that is making learners complacent.
RishiRahul and vivek

rkirana wrote:

Oh yes, I got it now:

So significance of a house results from the position of its lord as one of the many factors. If the house is a malefic, then a strong position of the lord can result in malefic occurences and vice versa for benefic houses.

Now, a particular house significations would be affected by the lord of the house, by the lords of other houses that are present in it or occupying in it.
How do we arrive at a benefic/malefic result derivation for the house then.

Rishiji and Vivekji, Pls. let us know

vivekvshetty wrote:

rkirana wrote:

Rishiji and Vivekji

Pls. respond

rkirana wrote:

Rishiji and Vivekji,

I am sorry - but I have not got an answer to my question.

I want to isolate effects on house due to house lord alone.
If house lord of a house is functional benefic, does it mean good things to the house from the house lord. If this is true it is vice-versa when we have functional malefics.

So in this case, is it good if dustana lords are functional malefics (so that they mean negative to significations of the dustana)?

My question is simple:
GIven that one of the signifcators of what a house signifies is the lord of the house, if the lord of the house is benefic (considering effects due to house lord alone), does it mean good for the house significations and vice versa?

Namaskaar Kiran ji,
You have turned the lesson topsy turvy.
The bhaava dictates whether the Lord is a Functional benefic or malefic. You are asking if it is the other way round.
The lord of a beneficial bhaava is a benefic for that chart and lord of a malefic bhaava is a malefic for that chart.

RishiRahul and vivek