Lesson 10- Benefics and Malefics (Functional and Natural), Mysticism, reading, forums, Numerology, Sun Signs, Divination

Posts: 217 · Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:45 am

Thanks Vivekji,

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The lord of a Bhaava always protects or promotes or tries to promote/protect it.

The description of Vimshottari dasha results of 3rd ("..unfavourable effects in the Dasha of the Lord of Sahaj..)/11th lord ("...obstacles in gains of wealth and the possibility of diseases in the Dasha of the Lord of Labh..") in BPHS appears to indicate a bad period. Specially the description on 11th gives rise to a doubt whether the bhava is supported by its lord at all.

Though this lesson is not on timing/dasha, I thought of getting this clarified, since I think the above results are based on the tenet that 3/11 lords are malefic.

Also, will be grateful if you respond to my other question - Does a graha always promote its role as karaka? For e.g, Ve as a natural benefic always (assuming it is not otherwise afflicted) do good in respect of Marriage/sex/vehicles even when it is a functional malefic (Leo lagna)?

Similalrly does Sa always cause separation/delay/suffering (assuming there are no strong benefic influeneces on it) when it is functional benefic (Vrishabh/Tula lagna)?

CRS

Posts: 961 · Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:46 pm

Namaskaar CRS ji,
Our Comments below.

mysbcrs wrote:

Thanks Vivekji,
The description of Vimshottari dasha results of 3rd ("..unfavourable effects in the Dasha of the Lord of Sahaj..)/11th lord ("...obstacles in gains of wealth and the possibility of diseases in the Dasha of the Lord of Labh..") in BPHS appears to indicate a bad period. Specially the description on 11th gives rise to a doubt whether the bhava is supported by its lord at all.

Though this lesson is not on timing/dasha, I thought of getting this clarified, since I think the above results are based on the tenet that 3/11 lords are malefic.
we would not like to discuss this now.

Also, will be grateful if you respond to my other question - Does a graha always promote its role as karaka? For e.g, Ve as a natural benefic always (assuming it is not otherwise afflicted) do good in respect of Marriage/sex/vehicles even when it is a functional malefic (Leo lagna)?
Naisargika Kaaraka is the overlord of the Bhaava for which it is the Kaaraka. It is its responsibility to manifest the thing it is signifying. Like - it is the responsibility of Shukra to bring the spouse into the Natives life, irrespective of any Lagna.

Similalrly does Sa always cause separation/delay/suffering (assuming there are no strong benefic influeneces on it) when it is functional benefic (Vrishabh/Tula lagna)?
The things listed by you are the traits of Shani and is not the Naisargika kaarakatwa of it.
Shani is a Yoga kaaraka (potential to cause Raajayoga) and functional benefic because it owns good Bhaavas from Raashis owned by Shukra.
This means that from the perspective of people born in these two Lagnas Shani owns desirable Bhaavas.
in fact Shani in Tirka (6,8,12) bhaavas for people born in Shukra's lagna is said to give Great Vipareeta Raaja yoga).

CRS

RishiRahul and vivek.

Posts: 217 · Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:36 pm

Dhanyavaad Vivekji,

I have a few more doubts. Hope you dont mind and bear with me if I sound very confused.

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This means that from the perspective of people born in these two Lagnas Shani owns desirable Bhaavas.
in fact Shani in Tirka (6,8,12) bhaavas for people born in Shukra's lagna is said to give Great Vipareeta Raaja yoga).

That means, Shani's yogakaraka nature arises from owning good bhavas and not by suppression of its other malefic roles (planetary nature and karakatwa). In other words the overall effect of any planet is planetary nature+karakatwa+bhava ownership and all these will show up independently.

As for Vipareeta Rajayoga, I was under the impression that it results from 6/8/12 lords being placed in 6/8/12. In case of Vrishabh/Tula Shani does not own any of these. Is it because being karaka for 8/12, its presence in 8/12 destroys the malefic significance? This will not be true in respect of 6th for which karaka is Ma.

CRS[/quote]

Posts: 961 · Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:45 pm

Namaskaar CRS ji,
Our comments below.

mysbcrs wrote:

Dhanyavaad Vivekji,

I have a few more doubts. Hope you dont mind and bear with me if I sound very confused.

Quote:

This means that from the perspective of people born in these two Lagnas Shani owns desirable Bhaavas.
in fact Shani in Tirka (6,8,12) bhaavas for people born in Shukra's lagna is said to give Great Vipareeta Raaja yoga).

That means, Shani's yogakaraka nature arises from owning good bhavas and not by suppression of its other malefic roles (planetary nature and karakatwa). In other words the overall effect of any planet is planetary nature+karakatwa+bhava ownership and all these will show up independently.
They do show up independently and some times there are linkages too. life is a complex thing and jyotish tries to break it down into understandable components. If your basics of the meaning of each components is good then reading a chart is easier or else it is a labyrinth out there.

As for Vipareeta Rajayoga, I was under the impression that it results from 6/8/12 lords being placed in 6/8/12. In case of Vrishabh/Tula Shani does not own any of these. Is it because being karaka for 8/12, its presence in 8/12 destroys the malefic significance? This will not be true in respect of 6th for which karaka is Ma.
Yes it is because Shani is the kaaraka for these houses. Shani is the kaaraka for service, servants and Shadripu (collectively) and these are seen from the sixth Bhaava.

CRS

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RishiRahul and vivek.

Posts: 217 · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:59 pm

Dhanyavaad Vivekji,

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Yes it is because Shani is the kaaraka for these houses. Shani is the kaaraka for service, servants and Shadripu (collectively) and these are seen from the sixth Bhaava.

Since the kaarakatwa is the same for all lagna, why only for Vrishabh/Tula it is vipareeta raja yoga? For these two lagnas out of 6/8/12 only one will be owned by shukra while the other two are by Guru and Mangal.

CRS