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gemini_gem
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:19 am |
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Like, this thread got hijacked by me, whereas it is actually Nakshatras lesson
| vivekvshetty wrote: |
Namaskaar Gemini ji,
Can you name the things which you feel cannot be classified into a lesson?
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That apart, if we can start a thread in this learning forum that deals with discussing things that cannot be classified into any of the lessons would be good.
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Yeah, it makes sense. The answer probably lies where medicine and astrology converge.
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1.We know you are not asking if the kundali can show the blood group of the native. If you are then the answer is no. We dont know of any such research.
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I was accidentally introduced to astrology (Kundali mismatch problem for my marriage, mine is mrigashira whereas my wife's is dhanishta). It created lot of troubles before my marriage. It was during that time that I went through a lot of material over the internet. During that course of time, I got attracted to Astrology, reading the debates on forums and reading some articles.
Moreover, at some point I was really convinced that the great rishis who developed this science cannot go wrong. Their power of intuition, the way they saw things and developed theories are unquestionable by people of our time. The only questionable part, though, would be how we interpret and apply them.
Somehow I started feeling I wan't to convince everybody that I know, that, Astrology is infact true. I somehow don't like it when Astrology illiterates rubbish this science.
The next thing is that my hobbies like chess, puzzle solving etc were replaced by Astrology study, which I realized later. This study gives me as much thrill as Chess and puzzle solving does to me.
Last, but not the least, I became more (compared to earlier) balanced person, in the sense that I started feeling that everything happens for a reason. And also my belief in god has increased.
And the most important reason I registered to this forum is to learn more about myself...Where I come from, what I am doing and where I am going. And I believe Astrology has answers to it.
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5.We want you to answer this first. You asked the question as a critic now answer as a student, You have enrolled in a Jyotish learning forum, why?
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Gemini.
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vivekvshetty
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:14 pm |
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Namaskaar Gemini ji,
Good reply and we dont think you have hijacked the topic of this thread but have instilled some Praana into it (A strong Shukra perhaps!).
But the question and an important one at that was asked by you and your reply did not try to address to it.
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5. Now, one Question like a critic. Hope its not taken in wrong sense. What purpose has Astrology served so far? And what is the true potential of Astrology in terms of its usefulness to mankind.
Your reply was about you yourself whereas in the question you had asked of the usefulness of Jyotish or for that matter any divinatory science/art for the Mankind (really doubt if Man is a Kind creature).
RishiRahul and vivek.
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gemini_gem
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:18 pm |
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| vivekvshetty wrote: |
Namaskaar Gemini ji,
Good reply and we dont think you have hijacked the topic of this thread but have instilled some Praana into it (A strong Shukra perhaps!).
But the question and an important one at that was asked by you and your reply did not try to address to it.
I quote:
5. Now, one Question like a critic. Hope its not taken in wrong sense. What purpose has Astrology served so far? And what is the true potential of Astrology in terms of its usefulness to mankind.
Your reply was about you yourself whereas in the question you had asked of the usefulness of Jyotish or for that matter any divinatory science/art for the Mankind (really doubt if Man is a Kind creature).
RishiRahul and vivek. |
Namaskar Vivek ji and Rahul ji,
I was actually answering the question as to why I registered into the forum and hence written all from my view.
Man is sure not a kind creature, more so these days. He is probably faring well not being kind (Kaliyuga tilts more towards not-so-kind ones perhaps).
And about my question, I am not really sure as to what the potential of Astrology is. It can answer things as simple as "When will I get married, "When will I go abroad" etc. But the seekers stop there. So it gives as much as the seeker seeks. So, one has to help himself and this divine Science is there to guide him. But again, how much one wants to get benefited by Astrology, is driven by situation one is in, when he refered to Astrology.
Overall, I feel Astrology gives a person hints about the situations he can be in, thereby giving him time to react. Only that much I can think about. And then I know prasna, medicinal Astrology, mundane Astrology can predict many things.
But in all the cases above, one is more willing to know the situation one can be in so that he/she can MANIPULATE himself, things around him/her to benefit him/her.
I am not able to see the connection about the ultimate use of Astrology. More like, when can one say that Astrology served its purpose (the bigger picture unlike when will I get married, am i destined abroad etc etc). Like if Medicine has cure to all ills, makes man immortal, Medicine has acheived its purpose. In a similar way, what its the ultimate potential/purpose of Astrology. If there is something like that, how much of it is acheived.
Thanks,
Gemini.
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vivekvshetty
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:03 pm |
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Namaskaar Gemini ji,
Any Astrology is only as good as the Astrloger. many a people coming to the Jyotish come to her/ him as an individual. The jyotish is also seeing the Horoscope from an individualist view.
Its utility in this case is that it instils hope and lights a lamp in the heart of the querent and gives a very broad vision to the person. The very narrow vision is replaced by something more vast. This alone is a great service Jyotish can render in this world. Remember a jyotishi is an representative of The Sun and also is an advisor like Guru. This shift in perspective can change the picture seen by the querent of a particular situation bothering them. Then we can never forget the utility of remedial measures which makes Jyotish worthwile for the Jyotish and like a divine help for the querent.
Also remember that the world seen by the querent is hi/her world and changing the perspective of the world view is changing the world for him/her.
Then there is the branch of Jyotish called Mundane Astrology. This is useful for the world if it is willing to take a note of it and try to find the true Jyotishas who are a master in this. For example there are still many Panchangas which give rainfall predictions for a particular region and which turns out much more accurate than the weather department. There are some Jyotishis who can predict rainfall to the day.
Vast Natural disasters are also predicted by Jyotishis and Govardan ji is very good in this as all members of this forum are aware. Can this not be applied to save colossal loss of life?
What is the ultimate goal of Jyotish?
It is the same as the ultimate goal in every life.
It is to realize the TRUTH.
All start from the first bhaava and via the Sixth understand the seventh. and the return to the first via the Twelfth.
RishiRahul and vivek.
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5. Now, one Question like a critic. Hope its not taken in wrong sense. What purpose has Astrology served so far? And what is the true potential of Astrology in terms of its usefulness to mankind.
Namaskar Vivek ji and Rahul ji,
I was actually answering the question as to why I registered into the forum and hence written all from my view.
Man is sure not a kind creature, more so these days. He is probably faring well not being kind (Kaliyuga tilts more towards not-so-kind ones perhaps).
And about my question, I am not really sure as to what the potential of Astrology is. It can answer things as simple as "When will I get married, "When will I go abroad" etc. But the seekers stop there. So it gives as much as the seeker seeks. So, one has to help himself and this divine Science is there to guide him. But again, how much one wants to get benefited by Astrology, is driven by situation one is in, when he refered to Astrology.
Overall, I feel Astrology gives a person hints about the situations he can be in, thereby giving him time to react. Only that much I can think about. And then I know prasna, medicinal Astrology, mundane Astrology can predict many things.
But in all the cases above, one is more willing to know the situation one can be in so that he/she can MANIPULATE himself, things around him/her to benefit him/her.
I am not able to see the connection about the ultimate use of Astrology. More like, when can one say that Astrology served its purpose (the bigger picture unlike when will I get married, am i destined abroad etc etc). Like if Medicine has cure to all ills, makes man immortal, Medicine has acheived its purpose. In a similar way, what its the ultimate potential/purpose of Astrology. If there is something like that, how much of it is acheived.
Thanks,
Gemini. |
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prasanna
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:14 pm |
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Dear Geminij,=(quote) =Like if Medicine has cure to all ills, makes man immortal, Medicine has acheived its purpose. In a similar way, what its the ultimate potential/purpose of Astrology. If there is something like that, how much of it is acheived.
Can U show full prof to , Medicine has cure to all ills, and makes man immortal , and medicine achieved its purpose? I dont think so, sorry to argue with u , but I wont accept your-views , still I see doctors telling at a crucial stage , only GOD can save you, I think from this we can conclude , only our destiny plays a vital role, and we are predestined by GOD how long we are going to survive. We all come with return tickets while at birth. Let me continue after hearing from You.
Regards,
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