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Is it better to know your fate even if it is bad, or to live in ignorant bliss?
Know your fate!
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What I don't know won't hurt me...I don't think.
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inner peace is just that, it's internal and quite
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Hi there dear Wendy,
firstly to help (verbally) others remember I've found that people never like being told, find another way to show them difference, then you can be assured to safeguard your friendship with them for the event.

for inner peace is internal.
I find that we humans, believe that thought is the power of one although when standing under a falling object the body-self moves out of the way.
the body asks not the mind "shall we move out of the way?" it just does.
what is our fate? can we make our fate? is it possible to have a say in our every daily lives of what may happen?

after going to a seminar concerning mind control, discovering the alph channels of our unconsciousness I learned the pitfalls as well as the pleasures of our bodies powers in the unconscious mind.
I prepared some tests to see how it would work (bearing in mind to avoid anything sinister) Whilst living on the shores of the Waitamata harbour in Auckland New Zealand, I entered a meditative state and decided to go and visit someone that I'd never know. The strange this that I found as I keyed my way through the questions and answers that befell my experience as odd to me now as they where when they happened on that adventurous days meditating.
I had a notion of going to dinner and had to find our the realities that would come to pass as this visit would play out in my future so I'll list here for your perusal of the events as I asked them and how they where answered to me in my mind in sequence as good as I can remember, it has been now many years since these events where made and eventually occurred.

Q1. where am I going to meet these people
A1. I decided they where to be on one of the islands in the hauraki gulf (I was facing this destination yet gave it no answer as to which island) So no name was entered and it was not one I knew of at that date. Just one of the island in the hauraki gulf, which the Waitamata harbour was/is a part of.
Q2. how will I meet these people  (I asked this so I could confirm this later and how it may happen)
A2. "I will jump in" (the answer surprised me I was not ready for an answer like that and let it be so)
Q3. Why will I meet these people
A3. I will be invited for dinner (well that's more real and more believable to me at the time dinner sounded ok too)
Q4. What will we have for dinner
A4. Sea food ( I was shocked and a bit dismayed as I thought shell fish and do not eat shell fish at least not raw LOL)
... I accepted in my mind that on this special day I will love sea food what ever it maybe and left it at that ...
I though for a while to see if there was anything else I should do in this meditation to make these realities more concrete and more relevant when/if they where to come to pass, and time passed whilst I contemplated my continuance.
I        thought I needed to give something to these people from myself a donation or something for their participation in my wild scheme meditation, given that I might even be giving reality to the subjects of my thoughts.
it was decided that She (who ever she was) should have a plant of her own and I accepted that and added in my floating imagination that it was to be HER plant not HIS plant, I was adamant about that and accepted it so.
They should also have a plant from me which I also accepted and the choice of an asparagus fern was brought to mind. I accepted that, it was possible at least in some small way they where popular plants.
I now seemed to think I had all the ingredients needed for a successful outcome to my contemplated visit experience, it was the first time I had delved into this type of fate growth experience.
I was not very self assured of it's outcome, and suddenly thought to myself. "How are you going to know it when you get there?
There's no magic key that switches the experiences real life event back to this meditation, no real proof that I will ever recognize it to be the real thing, nothing that would make it stand our from the rest of my life. So I need a KEY and sought my minds wanderings for a question that would suffice. In the end a simple question arrived
Q5. how will I know when this meditation is happening
The answer to this took me so much by surprise I could not fathom that it would ever happen, it's likelihood was millions to one.
A. He will do a little dance and sing a little song.
The Angels must have laughed all night on that one, they caught me out something terribly I was not really impressed and doubted the experience would ever happen. Should I ask again?, place another check maybe I was at odds with my playing with fate, it had lead me up a path of no return and I resigned myself to end it all and quickly forgot I had ever tried this absurd test of faith and meditative experience. I knew I could never change the future and restored to keep on with life as usual.

I moved house a number of times, the years passed and the fateful meditation was no longer in my mind it was a small excerpt of the goings on of life it's self the steps on the pavement of life no more no less all forgotten places and events of travel.

I was living with friends in Kingsland towards the west of Auckland central, the house we rented was need of an upgrade and the landlord said they had to do it now and where sorry to see us leave, we all went our separate ways, I found a house to house sit on an Island out in the Waitamata harbour, it was a short distance by boat from Waiheke Island which I had thought of moving to in the next few year so I took the house on that lonely Island and continued life from there.
One sunny day I heard some friends I'd made there over the past two to three months rolling up the hill behind me on a tractor it was towing an old trailer, one of the guys said "Hi Rob want a lift"  I found my self on the trailer as it passed no time to answer I just jumped on board, they where going to the small Rocks off shore to get some mussels that grew there prolifically, it was a joy to live there fresh food a boat to Auckland twice a week, heaven on earth, the only telephone was a solar power free phone on the centre of the island, "Coming fishing" he asked, "Ok" I replied, it was a nice day for a boat ride. I seen him before on the boat from Auckland and the little community had enjoyed my baked bread I made when visiting each person on the island, As yet he had not yet got a visit from me but probably had heard about my bread trips of fellowship over the last months it was a very small island.

after a good days catch we headed back to shore, come for dinner he said, I accepted, a bit sad as I did not have any bread made that day. Still friendly company is never to be turned down and we had delicious fresh oysters for dinner. we chatted the evening away and he offered desert which I gratefully accepted then he went into the kitchen and danced a little jig and sang a little song to accompany it. my mind saw this and was amazed. "Was I here? did I really see that? did he do a little dance and sing a little song? it was a rhetorical question I was wonder-struck the Angles .. they... had they been right, should I ask? what does one say it's unnerving it's riveting me to my chair, I sat in awe and ate my desert quietly thinking multitasking to the core.
what was it again how was this supposed to go.
I looked around the room for more clues.
Two plants in pot hangers ... ("Pheuww") I thought there's your answer the asparagus fern is from me and the other plant her's I needed to ask.
Time stood still there was still good conversation going on and one doesn't just come out and say this or say anything at all. I went back to the conversation at hand and forgot it ever happened (He dances and sang my spirits soured through me like liquid lava). I was soO elated they must have noticed.
(I never show my feelings it's just the way I am but this time it's really surprising me) they must have noticed my elation.

after I had accepted I might be on to the right thing I tenderly asked her where she got that plant from (her one) oH ...! she exclaimed I got it for my birthday. (it was her's for sure that was nice) and now it came to the other one what would they answer to that I was sure how could they say it was from me because it did not come from me directly it was just a part of the meditation I made.
So expecting a answer like from aunty Gabriel or something like that I dove in and asked "and that one (pointing to the asparagus fern ) where did you get that one.
They both hesitated and looked at each other in bewilderment "Um" he started looking at his lady and back to me slowly "I don't know where that came from" he returned his eyes to his lady she shrugged her shoulders to agreement she did not know either.
It was good enough for me I had arrived and enjoyed the sea food an all just as I'd predicted, I'd sort of Jumped in onto the tractor trailer, it was dinner and he'd done a little dance and sung a little song. I was still in disbelief undescribable elation of it's outcome to this day.
Still it has served me as a very nice remembrance and that was one of the successful outcomes although now I do know how it can also go so very wrong to Order up ones destiny or fate
They are not as I describe here the same - Destiny and Fate
Destiny is the way we go
Fate is the outcomes that the destiny needs to become reality

imagine this
for a short meditation I asked.
1. to live in the west and work in the east
front end loader driver would be nice
So that the sun shone on me on the way to work and home
and I had a job of specific enjoyment (driving a front end loader simple and painless)

you'd think so huh?
well try loosing a love of your life
getting taken to jail over the unintended incidence
thrown out with just the cloths on your back no ID no money no home
and then getting the job you wanted because your now living in the right pace for it all to come true.

it was a sad lesson and the last I tried in Ernest.

we can point to a house and say we will meet them and disown the thought and it will happen
but who is that that lives in that house, is it friendly your never going to know.
I'm very weary of my place in the cosmos I know the tricks and uncertainties that Fate and Destination plays.

I'm assured that Fate has is place in our Destiny and throughout out Destiny Fate will show it's force, what ever we ask it to procure
we can ask for that which we NEED and disown those requests, then outside chronological time our need will arrive.
Ask for what we want and Fate will come into play making the impossible possible.
Time "Chronological time especially" has no power on Fate.
Fate happens to know when and where destiny is asked for and will always make it ready for all those that play with their destiny
Said in another way if you need something that is tied to an event that has already started it could still arrive.
for a simple example you need a plane ride after the plane has left the airport and it's inadvertently delayed
your not aware of this and just know your in time when all the time Fate had the plane wait for you

that's destiny working outside chronological time and mostly right into your hands to give you the destiny you DESERVE.
No we come to that by Karma but that's another story.

Best wishes for 2008 take care what you ask for.
Love light and laughter From Robbie Kleij.
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