Dada,

Let us say/assume the number provided by the querent is 249. (the last number of 1 to 249).

The is in Meena sign, mercury star, saturn sub.
So the sub is saturn.

The astrologer sits down to calculate either at the same time the question is being asked... or at a later time.
Practically it is seen to be at a later time, as the astrologer has to be free to answer. (though the ideal time would be the same time).

Somehow, after reading the books/as my perception goes, it is understood that mostly it was answered at a later time.

So the astrologer casts the chart. This chart is the vedic type chart using langa as begining and 'placidus' house division.
This has a lagna (like vedic), from where ruling planets are calculated.
The other lagna is meena as per number 249.

I hope I could make it clear now.

I do not follow K.P. rigidly, unless the urge, and time of answering is same.

So the number used by KP, provided by the querent for the ascendant in the horary chart is used alongwith the planets were calculated for when the astrologer sat down to read the chart!

Both can work   andor    either can work too, depending on the urge/sincerity/mood of the querent and the querist.

So, I always found it worthwhile to check both charts and see how well the question is signified.

I hope I am clear now in my explaining.

Dear Rishi,

As perhaps I recorded and shared in the primers that I wrote many years ago and shared on internet (currently both volumes combined and available on scribd), in the chapter on Krishnamurthy Paddhati that it is a 'hybrid system'. It uses the numerological-sounding 'sub numbers' (though that is not numerology!) and then combines with that with the astrologer's 'epoch of delineation' (planets based on the time of delineation) and combined with the then prevalent (thanks to Raphael's tables of houses using Placidus system much used in the west, and probably still is...!) and the western concept of treating the cusps (such as lagna sphuta) as the beginning of the house, as opposed to the house-mid (bhava madhya)! He was spiritual and had the Blessings of Uchhishta Ganapathy deva as he always stated in his readers etc, too.

I must confess that I had problems in accepting cusp as the beginning of house concept! But I noticed recently that Narasimha Rao after he introduced SSS in his software also started using what we tend to call the western practice of using the lagna sphuta (and other similar cusps as they are called) as bhavarambhaa rather than bhaava madhya.

I have not followed much of his writings recently so not sure if he is still continuing that approach. One thing that I like about Narasimha is that when he presents his incredibly clear and convincing sharings -- he never claims those as being GOSPEL but leaves it to the reader to experiment. SOMETHING that all must practice when introducing something new, etc.

Love, Light, Observations,

Sorry, it is Placidus, not porphyrys, my mistake.

Yes, I did see Narasimha use it, but as of now, he is not using it, as I read his notes.

He has an idea of going into experiment with a sysytem, and then moving away.

I started experimentating with K.P from 1984/5; but do not adopt it always nowadays, but only in cases fitting etc.

I have seen mostly remarkable accuracy using this laborious method of charting involving 1 to 1 & a half hours with a pen, paper and calculator.

When some guest was expected much and got indefinitely delayed, the chart was casted, and the time arrived (either 1 or 2 times were set).... and the arrival was timed to the minute.

I still have the record. Few times often it was not correct.. but that was few.. and I blamed it as lack of urge.

Rishi

Another example using Western and Jyotish together.

The other horary counterparts were Western/Tropical followers. I am sure this would be interesting as very unconventional systems were used.


RishiRahul