Jupiter is retrograde going direct Nov 18th, 2010 and Jupiter
is his significator ... so probably a return around that date
Timing being not a strong point in horary - but around
that time and being conjunct to Uranus - with Modern
rulership putting Uranus as ruling Aquarius - so probably
some confused detailed negotiations going on with
Neptune around the 6th...

Gently does it I would say :)

i thought that too about the conjuction uranus - jupiter ...

thanx for the time frame - even though i understand its difficult to give time in horary .

please , again forgive me about my english - i dont understand your these sentences ... could you explain ? i would be greatfull ...

thank you very much !


"so probably
some confused detailed negotiations going on with
Neptune around the 6th...

Gently does it I would say "

Neptune is conjunct the 6th house in Aquarius
ruled by Uranus ( all Modern rulers and planets
here, of course ) - Uranus appears to be a part
of the solution as Uranus is in the 7th - which
describes your significant other.

So Neptune who "confuses" and is in the 6th of
"details" will probably cause a great deal of
discussion to create some kind of a bridge
to certainty. Pluto is in the 4th house -
Pluto is the transformer and is in an applying
sextile to the 6th House ... so we expect some
kind of confusion ( Neptune ) that affects
through transformation ( Pluto ) by positive
interaction ( applying sextile Pluto to 6th
House which has Neptune ).

I guess I would just be aware that if any
discussion gets to focused on apparant
insignificant details then this is not about
the details but about creating a new
( changed because of the mutable angles )
approach to each other.

Real gentleness is required as Mars - which
displaces his significator Jupiter - is in the
first house and conjunct the Ascendant.

If I was doing a rectification ( using western
techniques ) then if a client had an operation
with Mars close to an angle like the Ascendant
I would know I am on the right track as Mars
and especially the Ascendant conjunct is
a strong indicator of accidents, surgery and
similar events but often maleafic events.

So Mars displacing Jupiter is going to have
some effect .. being gentle will hopefully
prevent any maleafic issues. Really it needs
to be handled by waiting until he actually
approaches you and then asking a new
question ( Horary or whatever you
prefer ) and then linking this chart to the
new question...

Does this help ?

yes this actually helps much !
and on time cause i was just thinking i should make a move - ive cut him off from my facebook , msn and access to my blog .

he still can email me and phone me though , if he wants to make a contact i guess . I thought i should invite him back in facebook and msn but that seems
like im a coward or something so ill just let him come to me .

this chart was posted on 3rd of august and one day later i sent him an email just to clear some things up because the decision for the break up , i know i made it without thinkiing clearly . In this mail i wished him luck and well being and explained what his actions were that i felt that he secretly wanted us over and i felt he wasnt ready for us . He replied saying sorry for the pain he caused me , and that he was in pain too , not ready to talk to me again and that maybe sometime we can be friends again and have a chat , laugh etc ...

so i really thought today and i didnt do any action cause that would just irritate him ... so it fits perfect what you say that it needs careful handling ...

ill let him choose me , otherwise ill be stuck with the idea that he ll always love his ex ...

it also makes sense that all this confusion has a transformation effect , i feel like a phoenix rising from my flames ...

what also worries me is if we are as strong as i thought and felt .... is his ex the love of his life ? should i wait and take him back or am i losing my time ?

maybe i should post a synastry chart what do you thing ? or i could post another horary with the exact question above ?

thank you so much for your patience and support !

take care!

At this point, I generally start looking at issues contained
in the progressed horary, natal, progressed natal chart.
If you have his chart then also his natal, progressed etc.,
and then synastric issues as a final summation.

One of the issues very seldom discussed is that one
can have a new start sometimes with someone which
creates a new natal chart for the relationship. This
is fairly complex but you can observe it often in
childhood relationships as each member of the
relationship goes through multiple different stages
of their life. Later as they look back they just
say something like "That was before...", or perhaps
"We are different now..." probably indicating a
new natal beginning for the relationship itself
complimentary to each members natal but
able to supply its own momentum to create
what each member wants.

Always a lot in astrology :)