I've been here for a few weeks checking for new posts - and nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Hmmmmmm

Let's liven this place up! Horary is an amazing gift, so helpful to all!

A community can never be better then its members.

If  members sit on the fence, and wait for other members to make activity for them, then maybe they have to wait long.

By being active, you create life, you create topic that have interest for you, and this can lead to discussions which benefits more, and can give you a satisfaction.

Hi Cairene,

Sort of slow - one of the major issues and this appears
in a lot of the posts is an understandable and perfectly
acceptable problem with the style of clients posting their
questions.

Generally speaking there is one big problem and that
is that the Horary Practitioner must understand the question
sufficiently to be able to look at the chart and resolve the
question into astrological houses.

This issue is composed of four part, clarification of the
question, the local date and local time and local place
the question was asked.

So assume for now - that the question is asked and
well enough that the Horary Practitioner can split
the issues into astrological houses. A resolving of the
phrases and words into the correct parts of the potentially
created astrological chart.

Usually, if a clarification on the question is asked
by the Horary Practitioner - the client will address the
clarification within 24 hours so although its a significant
issue - as the clients in general address it rapidly - seeing
that it is clearly in their interest to do so - it is not a huge
problem.

More importantly and really a matter for technical discussion
elsewhere is the local date, local time and local place - not the
natal date, natal time and natal location. The Horary
Practitioner needs to have the date of the question,
the time of the question and the location of the question.
Without this one cannot draw the chart !

Take for example ...



Which is Anma11's question - very nicely asked
question - as in a long question BUT with pertinent
sufficient detail to profile the concern of the client
into the astrological houses.  The problem is that
the question although the question is timed

"Question asked: 11:36am, november 25, 2009"

there is no location for the question !

and the natal chart has been supplied - exceptionally
useful information for confirmation of clients concerns
( forst house ) and timing of the clients query. Very nice !
BUT again no location - in this case natal location !

How does one draw the either the horary chart or the natal chart ?

A clarification for this was requested and the natal information
was clarified by the addition of the natal location. Very
good we can draw the natal chart.. but the chart for the
actual question cannot be drawn as the location of the question
is not known.

It is vital that a Horary Practitioner must demonstrate is that
they are willing to clarify the question until a clear verification
signature is found in the chart of the clients profiled concern.

Most of the horary people here are doing this fairly time
intensive work as an unpaid spare time issue - but when time
is invested it is the equivalent of a paid service in terms of the
time involved to resolve. No real difference
in judging or the approach or depth between what is given
her and a paid service. Often as the follow up
questions illustrate a technical issue that can be learnt from
there is far more depth to the issue than a paid version of
the same issue.

This is the most significant issue - that one has to have the
question ( usally clarified easily enough ) and the date of
the question, the time of the question and the place of the
question.

An additional less important issue is that sometimes the clarification
takes so long that its forgotten by the client or Horary
Practitioner. an interesting technical situation for some questions
involve a delay in answering as in "where will I find my
earrings" and the answer is "In the box in the stockroom
in 2 weeks" as in someone will return the earrings later...
Time is a also a part of the issues and also in some questions
the client only needs to voice the question to be satisfied ... the
actual answer itself is far less important than just profiling the issues.
Of course, the answer would be provided unless the client
explicitly indicated that no further work should be done.

What do you think ? Lets all try to profile our concern for the
Horary Practitioners through clear questions, supply the date the
question was asked, the time the question was asked and the place
the question was asked ? Saves a lot of time for the Horary
Practitioner and avoids disappointment for the clients :)

Blessings all....

The question often implies greater wisdom than the answer... just had to throw that in...

Besides, since I am not very familiar with Horary: in Horary astrology and using a forum like this... does the time of asking the question refer to when I start typing, or when I finish, or rather when the question came up to begin with (which would usually be my guess, even though the decision time when you actually ask the question, before you start typing, makes sense to me. too). What if I have been playing around with a question for a long time, not sure whether to actually ask it, and have forgotten when it came up to begin with (I guess my decision to ask would then indicate the time of questioning)?

And the place/location of the question... are we talking exact coordinates such as latitude and longitude or city, state, country?

Hi PetraVanila,

"The question often implies greater wisdom than the answer...
just had to throw that in..."

In fact - there are horary practitioners that will go to another
Horary Practitioner with the explicit purpose of only opening
a discussion of what the question is. The exchange back and
forth reducing the question to its pertinent parts between
the two Practitioners yields new understandings of the question.
Once the question is well understood - and there is an "aha - so
that is really what I am asking !!!" - that moment is used.
But one sometimes needs anothers viewpoints to really
understand ones own question supporting the idea of
"If the question is asked correctly the answer is already
found in the way the question is asked"

The exact time and date of the question and its location is
a matter of some debate. A very technical debate and
with exceptionally strong ferocity. One person will say the
Horary Practitioner chart, another will say the Clients
chart, and there are more - some say the mid time
or a mixture of the time of the Horary Practioner and the
location of the client.

All reflect the concern of somehow getting one single
horary technicality resolved. The chart itself must describe
the issues being asked about.  Personally my approach is
to look quickly ( not answering the question ) at both the
clients chart and second Practitioners chart - two
seperate charts - observe which reflects the clients
concern and then use that one. Curiously for boards like
this it is almost always the clients chart. In other
formats of for example one-on-one meeting I use
my local place and date/time - as long as it reflects
the clients concern.

For most Western based software - the city and state
or country is the best approach. For Vedic I do find
that latitude and longitude seems to be preferred.
But with a little work ( using ACS software perhaps ? )
one can easily - if time consuming - find the city / state
if latitude and longitude are  provided. My preferance
is always city and state though :)

As far as the moment of your question PetraVanilla,
a client will sometiems ask a question "too early"
and although this chart can be used to describe
the lack of information and reasons it is asked to
early - the best time is when the Horary Practitioner
is able to be involved.

It seems rather magical - and clients will often accept
the Horary approach but only with a certain Practitioner
or perhaps style of approach. For example, only Vedic,
only Western, only Traditional or even more particular
only with people trained in one style from this person
or place. Or even just one or two Practioners.
When a client actually finds a Horary practioner whose
approach and style meets their approval and is correct
a wonderful resource is granted. A mechanism for
at the least clarifying and defining ones immediate
future is revealed.

The moment is created with the interaction with the
Horary Practitioner seems to be the general approach.
However, equally valid in the clients I accept are charts
based on the moment the impact, risk and real understanding
of the situation is upon the full awareness of the client.

If for example, one is going into serious debt. and its getting
worse and worse- now things progress to the point of where
personal destruction is assured - the moment of clarity where
one says "Will I have to declare bankrupcy ? "

Or perhaps in a relationship of some friction and unpleasant exchange
but involving an established commitment of say property
and or children - the moment when one realizes that the
relationship is in terrible jeopardy "Will we get divorced or
will we seperate and get back ?"

The moment of piercing and defined clarity :)

"My kitten is lost ! where is she ?"

record the moment... this will aid the astrologer - the chart used
may be the chart where you are based or where the astrologer is
but will reflect the issues involved - a signature of the concern
will be seen.