Is this board slow or what?, Mysticism, reading, forums, Numerology, Sun Signs, Divination

Posts: 96 · Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:23 am

Airgon wrote:

Hi Cairene,

Sort of slow - one of the major issues and this appears
in a lot of the posts is an understandable and perfectly
acceptable problem with the style of clients posting their
questions.

Generally speaking there is one big problem and that
is that the Horary Practitioner must understand the question
sufficiently to be able to look at the chart and resolve the
question into astrological houses.

This issue is composed of four part, clarification of the
question, the local date and local time and local place
the question was asked.

So assume for now - that the question is asked and
well enough that the Horary Practitioner can split
the issues into astrological houses. A resolving of the
phrases and words into the correct parts of the potentially
created astrological chart.

Usually, if a clarification on the question is asked
by the Horary Practitioner - the client will address the
clarification within 24 hours so although its a significant
issue - as the clients in general address it rapidly - seeing
that it is clearly in their interest to do so - it is not a huge
problem.

More importantly and really a matter for technical discussion
elsewhere is the local date, local time and local place - not the
natal date, natal time and natal location. The Horary
Practitioner needs to have the date of the question,
the time of the question and the location of the question.
Without this one cannot draw the chart !

Take for example ...

Which is Anma11's question - very nicely asked
question - as in a long question BUT with pertinent
sufficient detail to profile the concern of the client
into the astrological houses. The problem is that
the question although the question is timed

"Question asked: 11:36am, november 25, 2009"

there is no location for the question !

and the natal chart has been supplied - exceptionally
useful information for confirmation of clients concerns
( forst house ) and timing of the clients query. Very nice !
BUT again no location - in this case natal location !

How does one draw the either the horary chart or the natal chart ?

A clarification for this was requested and the natal information
was clarified by the addition of the natal location. Very
good we can draw the natal chart.. but the chart for the
actual question cannot be drawn as the location of the question
is not known.

It is vital that a Horary Practitioner must demonstrate is that
they are willing to clarify the question until a clear verification
signature is found in the chart of the clients profiled concern.

Most of the horary people here are doing this fairly time
intensive work as an unpaid spare time issue - but when time
is invested it is the equivalent of a paid service in terms of the
time involved to resolve. No real difference
in judging or the approach or depth between what is given
her and a paid service. Often as the follow up
questions illustrate a technical issue that can be learnt from
there is far more depth to the issue than a paid version of
the same issue.

This is the most significant issue - that one has to have the
question ( usally clarified easily enough ) and the date of
the question, the time of the question and the place of the
question.

An additional less important issue is that sometimes the clarification
takes so long that its forgotten by the client or Horary
Practitioner. an interesting technical situation for some questions
involve a delay in answering as in "where will I find my
earrings" and the answer is "In the box in the stockroom
in 2 weeks" as in someone will return the earrings later...
Time is a also a part of the issues and also in some questions
the client only needs to voice the question to be satisfied ... the
actual answer itself is far less important than just profiling the issues.
Of course, the answer would be provided unless the client
explicitly indicated that no further work should be done.

What do you think ? Lets all try to profile our concern for the
Horary Practitioners through clear questions, supply the date the
question was asked, the time the question was asked and the place
the question was asked ? Saves a lot of time for the Horary
Practitioner and avoids disappointment for the clients

Blessings all....

Airgon,

You've given such sage advice and educated many in how to pose the question properly, I'm sure. A major obstacle to getting their questions answered of course, but I hope some are here to also learn to analyze their own charts with the examples given here. That's more fun

It's good to hear insight from the point of view of the horary practioner, thank you for that.

I have been delving into the Lilly, Gadbury, Barclay, etc,...books lately and can't imagine stopping this study. I am such a beginner still however. Horary is very intricate and complex, it's good to have a place like this. I just find the board sometimes lifeless and slow, it could be so much more!

I find the subject fascinating and the kind souls who help others on here a blessing.

Thanks for your post, Airgon.

Posts: 274 · Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:23 am

Hi Cairene,

Thanks for your kind words...

We could do a lot more of these questions if we could
draw the charts.

Best advice I ever got in Horary was read everything
you can lay your hands on to develop a secure, repeatable
understandable approach, do many charts and write
your answers down to check the results later so as
to refine your skillset and most importantly - dont stop.

There are questions that will develop as you refine your
skills that are between you and the Universe. Mastering this
skill allows one to peak at the Paths of the Unknown.

Posts: 335 · Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:32 am

Airgon thank you very much for all the good information... very much appreciate that. Part of the reason, why I asked is also the fact that I have been doing some (surprisingly accurate) psychic and picture readings lately (I just really found out that I have pretty good psychic abilities that I wasn't aware of much) and I find that the time or circumstance of a picture taken very much helps in reading the person, as does the context/time of a question to be addressed in a psychic reading.

I wonder to what great an extend the psychic aspects actually relate to an astrology/horary reading... And of course, which makes much sense, how the result of a horary reading or any kind of reading for that matter influences the future of the querent. After all thoughts create matter and readings can act as guidance and/or as a factor that creates a positive or negative outlook. Timing is imperative in that case, I'd say...

Anyway, I am rambling and getting philosophical... never mind me haha...!

Posts: 274 · Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:44 pm

Hi PetraVanilla,

There is no question that being psychic to some extent does provide an additional
resource for effective interpretation in astrology.

One of the main issues being the synastry or combined analysis of the chart.
There are many - some excellent - resources on issues such as Moon in Aries
or Moon in first house or Ruler of the 1st house in the 12 th house. Each
individual effect can be accessed through a good number of focused books.

However even with computers to get multiple combined issues such as
Moon in Aries and Moon in 3rd house and Moon is ruler of 10th house,
Moon in aspect to Saturn, Algol, sensitive points, Moon in house Mid point,
Moon on midpoint of Uranus/Mars, Moon displaced by Mars and Mars
aspecting Pallas - we cannot really relate all of this to the clients life
without some reach by the astrologer into the clients hope for resolution.

A complex like this has not to my knowledge been resolved with computers.
It would take an astrologer who was extremely patient and experienced
to even understand the myriad of effects - because for this selected example...
even if the Mon has all these things - note that I did not mention the Sun.
The Moon and Sun always have something to do with each other even if only
the "phases" of the Moon - determined by the Sun and Moon relationship - are
examined... so the whole chart has to be clearly examined in context.

It may be possible to apply computers to this problem but until then
experience with logic provides some footprints on the path to the
solution.. but the actual effort in my opinion can only be completed
through some kind of an overall psychic mechanism whether realised or
not by the astrologer.

Something in the culture or socialization or training or call it what you would
like leads the astrologer to evaluate the chart according to his or her
scale of importances ( which planets, houses etc are of more value or
less value ) and range of perception ( which planets, houses etc to actually
use ) combined with an understanding of the clients question and the client.
Overall by far, the willingness of the astrologer to just do a reliable, effective,
repeatable and accurate experience for the client is what drives success.

There has to be some kind of sensitivity to the client and unspoken issues -
issues that cannot be or perhaps should not be verbalised - this sensitivity
can probably be somewhat impinged upon to be transliterated into psychic
ability.

It should be noted though - that very good psychics are very accurate
and rarely use astrology - however I have never dealt with any astrologer
that opposed the idea of psychic ability having something to do with their
work. Definately astrology provides a vast platform and access to near
infinate historical resources of any description and purpose, accessing minds
of genius and compassion of great skill but without a sense of
the psychic compass or direction needed it seems near impossible to
bring all the calculation and details together to produce an accurate
result.

What technique one should use is a good example of the psychic coming
into play .. transits, progressions ( which type ), arcs and forwward or
converse.. under what circumstances and orb... Questions that halt
interpretation dead cold until some inspiration has arrived or presented.
Experience does help, scholarship is a vast support but in the last
evaluation it takes a psychic opening of the inner eye to really reveal
the options and possibilities from a chart.

Go, Psychics, Go !