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Youdah
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Age: 59 Zodiac: 
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:44 am |
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What rationale are you using to say that Saturn is the significator, or you?
And why are you using Jupiter for the quesited?
You say this is the "traditional" way of doing a horary. But, it doesn't seem to match-up with how I would do a reading on this chart. Please explain your sources, reasoning, etc.
I would use the first house to be you. This would include pisces and Uranus, since they are in the first house.
Jobs/employees are always 6th house, so would include the sign of Leo.
The state of California is ruled by Leo. (If preference for northern or southern California, the significator would change). Since no planets in Leo, I'd pull the sun into the reading (for Leo).
The outcome of the question is governed by the moon. In this case, 9th house Scorpio.
The angles between these things, and only these things, would give answer.
Anything else than above, just gives a little more information about the answer, but does not give THE answer.
With a major significator, Uranus, currently retrograde, this means (depending on all the aspects considered):
- this placement debilitated
- outcome may turn out to be undesirable or disadvantageous
- action should be postponed until Uranus turns direct
- a return to a former condition
- someone, possibly yourself, will have a change of mind about this question
- someone pertinent to the question is unavailable or will not answer
Some astrologers believe that a retrograde mercury has an unfavorable meaning to the entire chart even if not a significator. Some simply say that this is a question, or the outcome, should be postponed until mercury turns direct again.
You prefer to read the charts yourself, so I won't do a reading of your chart. But, instead, I am giving my opinion on "how" to read it, because I have no idea why you are pulling in Jupiter and Saturn into the reading. I don't see them as relevant.
Regards...
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sandyv63
Age: 48 Zodiac: 
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:59 pm |
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As per Lilly, the ruler of the first house is the ruler of the quesitor and the ruler of the house pertaining to the question is the ruler of the quesited. This is a career question so I use the 10th house. That's how I get my significators. The Moon is a co-significator. If there are any planets in either house, they must also be considered. However, in traditonal horary, only the first 6 planets and the Moon are considered. Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are ignored. I understand there are various methods used for horary and I don't claim to know which better, correct, more insightful, etc. I am just trying to learn.
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Youdah
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Age: 59 Zodiac: 
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:18 pm |
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OK, I can see if you use 10th house as job, instead of 6th, then you would use Jupiter. However, I didn't see it as a career question, since you didn't ask about your career, but "when you would get a JOB in California?" I use 10th for reputation, one's career (after established), how others see you out in the world, for matters outside the home, etc. I wouldn't use 10th for "career" except in general or once established. Not while hunting or hoping for a job.
I use Uranus as the ruler of Aquarius rather than saturn. Saturn is only a secondary ruler for Aquarius. If you think about this, it makes more sense. Aquarians are not staid, solemn, traditional, careful, long-planning, etc., like a Capricorn/Saturn. Aquarians are revolutionaries, trying new things, ahead of their time, going against the status quo, etc....and this is more like Uranus.
Also, when asking a question about a specific PLACE, it is necessary to include the rulership for that place into the reading! This necessarily pulls in the Sun/Leo as California is ruled by this sign (except southern California which is ruled by Cancer).
Another issue is that this is a "time" question. In your description in the first posting, I did not see you taking into consideration any "time" placements.
Another thing that you should keep in mind is that saturn is in the 7th house...again. When doing horary, whoever is reading the chart has the 7th house position, even if doing a reading for yourself. With saturn in the 7th, when someone else is doing the reading, or when doing it for yourself, it always means that you can't be objective (or another stricture against judgment). As I said previously, there are some exceptions, but they are few and reading a horary chart with a 7th house saturn must be done very carefully, preferably not at all. If you read it at all, the answer is, "no" or "not yet," or "not at this time." (Horary is limited to 3-6 month before a question should be asked again...so if I read this chart with the 7th H. Saturn, I would read this chart as meaning you would not get a job in California during the next 3-6 months...or I would tell you to wait until Uranus/Mercury turn direct and have returned to their original positions before they turned retrograde, before asking this question again. Ironically, whether waiting for 3-6 months or until Uranus is back to its original position, the time frame is the same).
Also, with Aquarius on the 1st H. cusp, this is a situation unique to doing a horary reading for yourself. This has the same meaning as a 7th H. saturn. When doing a reading for yourself, with both placements saying the same thing (the chart telling your twice), it is emphasized that you can't be objective doing a reading for yourself...or some other stricture against judgment.
You might consider that the difficulties/confusion you are having about what houses to properly use, what planets rule what, this may be the exact "stricture against judgment" that the chart is warning you about...NOT that the "universe doesn't want me to know." A problem of technique, not an unwillingness for the universe to answer your question.
Yes, learning can take several lifetimes, I think, with astrology! This is why I liberally share what little I've learned by discussion of my reasons in all readings. It certainly isn't the easiest method for getting a reading, but usually the most accurate, IMHO.
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sandyv63
Age: 48 Zodiac: 
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:58 am |
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I thought California was a Virgo state. Regardless, if we go by your interpretation, we would need to use Cancer, or the Moon, as the ruler of the place as Orange County is southern California. I use the 10th house because I am passed the stage in my career where I am merely looking for any job. I am looking for a job that is in line with my education and experience. I won't move there for just a 'job.' However, what other word should I use to convey what I am looking for? Regardless, it is all a mute point as Saturn is occupying the 7th house. I suppose the opportunity will come when it comes.
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