-- What says "materialistic" to you?
-- Definitely a failure or huge success depending on the time and circumstances. He was very intelligent but didn't always use that intelligence. How do you determine failure or huge success from the signature?
-- He was definitely determined once he decided to do or try something.
-- Now some major insight: This is the signature of my father. I really don't know how long ago though that he wrote his name in the book I have. I wondered if his letter D with the long down stroke might mean something. He was told some time in the past that he was manic depressive (bipolar). He did not like medication. He'd had some years before and the effects of it really messed with him. The Rx and does he told me about were nothing like they prescribe today. It didn't matter. He was afraid to take medications and have them mess with him like before. He felt he would let someone bleed to death and not bother to tell anyone when he was on medication in the past. He did NOT want to feel THAT numb to life. He was alcoholic but mainly drank as a way to self-medicate. He told me he didn't drink to get drunk, but rather to pass out...if he passed out he could not hurt himself (he was suicidal so much of his life) :( He was very good at drawing/art with pencil/pen and a terrific carpenter and finish worker. He was a total perfectionist. While he was sober he built a fence for my grandma. She said every nail had to be in the right spot. (Ouch...that's a bit too much.) He made lots of changes to his own house done on his own earlier on. As far as materialism, my dad did not have much later in life. He lost his house and later had very few personal belongings of much worth before his death. He went into rehab for drinking and did really well. He took on everything all at once. I'm sure it was total overload for anyone in their right mind. He felt so good and glad to be on the right track and doing better. He was working again. Went to school to update his skills since his profession had gone high-tech. (He needed to use a computer more instead of the old way he'd done things as a printer). So, while being off alcohol wasn't major enough when he had to face so many of his 'unfelt' problems from the past and had to really FEEL things so strongly without alcohol to dull the feelings each day -- he also took on a job (a good thing) but also started going to school to take classes to further a real career rather than 'relying on society' in a job that couldn't be a career. A bit much of change all at once within a matter of 3-4 months. It lasted a while but then he relapsed with the alcohol. I think that is what made him most disappointed. I was actually so proud of him for getting off of the alcohol but figured after that many years that relapse would be likely -- especially with him being bipolar. (I don't think he ever did get onto any medication after rehab for his bipolar). The one thing he didn't do during his rehab was come up with a plan for relapse. He told my grandma that he WOULD NOT relapse. He simply didn't want to go there. He never wanted to drink again.... I think personally the reason he didn't come up with a plan is that it scared him to death to think that he would have to start all over again from scratch when there was a relapse and he could not face it at the time during rehab when asked to write out a plan for that. Not much longer after his relapse he died of suicide. I really don't know how proud he might have been of any material things he had. I can tell you that the most he truly cared about was me. While he was in rehab I visited him one time while it was lunch time. To my shock...he hollered at everyone in the room and told them who I was and introduced me to the group in the room. I believe I also had my one year-old daughter with me at the time, so he was "Grandpa" as well.

For such a short two words...you got so much on target for this very complicated person in my life You did super with the things you said. The only thing that I don't quite get is the materialistic. Of course he could have written this signature when I was young and he did have things...or maybe it's just that he WANTED to have things and had high expectations of what you could get? I'm sure losing his house and most major possessions was a huge feeling of failure to him even before he went through rehab and relapsed.

ok ok... now stop laughing at me to err is to human and to blame it on someelse or something else is even more so. hehehehee... i so hate it having put my foot in my mouth this way

well, since it was only a glance it was the best i could make of it. but now this insight throws a totally different twist in the tale...

i would say this person is basically a simpleton so muhc so that she just might have worn a simple t-shirt and jeans to the prom night. i stand by what i said about being a confused person. the intelligence does show throw the pronounced upper loops but considering the rest of the handwrting .. it is not directed in the right direction. and most of the thinking is ... just that wishful thinking only.

Abhishek

Firstly, i am sorry to hear about your dad. i see greatness to the point of being a visionary. i am sorry it didnt work out the way he planned it.



what person would have such large letters, be egoistic (here i just thaught of something more - it is more like having certain goals and aims in mind which made him almost snobbish - again if thats the right word), go getter, have access of physical strenght... throw in his artistic traits and stuff and yet not be materialistic



well, like you said he died of sucide and suffered from bipolar depression... i was gonna mention sucide myself but didnt becuase i was not sure (more becuase my skills at preent is outdated and rusty at best). You asked about his D, well that was one thing that shows both materialism and sucidal tendency.

his whole signature to me yells of success story in the making... or atleast of a person who thinks highly of himself coupled with other things. now what made me decide he was either a huge success or a failure is the sucidal tendency and the depression in his singature... like i mentioned and you sort of endorsed it ... he drank not to get drunk but to pass out and hence not do anything bad to himself. that shows how charged up he always was.

Now also look at how he used his B to T to slash/cut the rest of the words. also notice the D ... if you really see ahrd you will see its more of cross X ... specially when he pulls that line right down to the lower level.

these are all signs of depression and sucidal.

not knowing the age of the person, the job he/she is in etc are ok while treating Graphology as a palour game... but while seriously analyzing a person... it doesnt work. also goes on to show why i was so wrong about your friend.



you got that bang on target about his wanting stuff or being materialistic when he wrote signed that book. it has to be taken into consideration.

Best,

Abhishek

I am not laughing at you, but laughing because of what you said. I mean really. For an adult that is just so funny to see handwriting like that to me and is why I just had to let you take a look.

She is very intelligent but is one of those people that has us confused. Very smart but always sick with some sort of problem. She really does have lots of health problems but nothing the dr's have been able to really pin down or fix well. She is almost always complaining about something. Only recently has she gone through some things that seem to have really helped and she's been doing much better. She had twin girls and I think that now that she has something else to focus on that she is going to be able to always talk, brag, complain, or whatever about the babies if she is feeling better health herself.

From what I've been studying it looks like some of the capital letters with the small tiny loops mean jealousy. I could imagine maybe she would be jealous of other people's health...yet she seemed to use her ill health to soak up tons of attention.

I was laughing so hard at what you said because really, I think I would have thought the same thing if I didn't who wrote this so I really loved your initial impression!! Too funny. It still makes me laugh! I will never see another birthday card etc from her the same!!

About my dad's signature. You said last that you also see greatness to the point of being a visionary. Interesting you should say that. He did always have really big dreams and ideas of things that could be possible. Especially in the way of science and mathematics and technology.

nahhh i didnt mean you were laughing ... i mean like laughting at me... but then it was good chance to pull your legs :D

abhishek