Greetings People,

I think that is important to open a new discussion about possible 13th astrological sign as It "destroys" today well known Zodiac (Does not matter tropical or sidereal).

Ophiuchus:

Ophiuchus was according to Greek mythology a man called Asclepius. He was the son of Apollo and Coronis, the daughter of King Phlegyas of the Lapiths. He was given the power by the goddess Athena to ressurect the dead including the more famous Orion, the hunter. He was killed by a bolt of lightning from Zeus who had been requested to do so by Hades. As Asclepius was resurrecting, Hades was worried that the Underworld was not getting as many dead as he should be. He was turned into a constellation to appease Apollo who had killed the three cyclop beings. The Cyclops, mystical one eyed beings built Zeus's thunderbolts.

Star Sign                       Official Date Range New Date Range
Aries, the Ram                   Mar 21 - Apr 20 Apr 19 - May 13
Taurus, the Bull                   Apr 21 - May 21 May 14 - Jun 19
Gemini, the Twins           May 22 - Jun 22 Jun 20 - Jul 20
Cancer, the Crab            Jun 23 - Jul 23 Jul 21 - Aug 09
Leo, the Lion                    Jul 24 - Aug 23 Aug 10 - Sep 15
Virgo, the Virgin             Aug 24 - Sep 23 Sep 16 - Oct 30
Libra, the Scales          Sep 24 - Oct 23 Oct 31 - Nov 22
Scorpio, the Scorpion          Oct 24 - Nov 22 Nov 23 - Nov 29
Ophiuchus, the Serpent                n/a                Nov 30 - Dec 17
Sagittarius, the Archer   Nov 23 - Dec 21 Dec 18 - Jan 18
Capricorn, the Seagoat   Dec 22 - Jan 20 Jan 19 - Feb 17
Aquarius, the Water Bearer   Jan 21 - Feb 19 Feb 16 - Mar 11
Pisces, the Fish Feb 20 -           Mar 20 Mar 12 - Apr 18


In the 2nd century, Ptolemy listed 29 stars in Ophiuchus. He recognised that most of those stars were north of the ecliptic (the path of the Sun through the sky) — however, 4 of them (today known as 36 Oph, 42 θ Oph, 44 Oph and 51 Oph) he recognised as being south of the ecliptic. Therefore, the Sun passed through the constellation of Ophiuchus as it was recognised by Ptolemy.In the early Roman Empire The Ophiuchus is "erased" from the zodiac probably by formation of Christianity.So my question is following:

What to consider a truth?
Is Ophiuchus a Jesus Christ him self,really existing in sky?
Cause,I beleive that any modern men can understand that Christianity was produced for a mass control,specially needed it that time of developing (Roman Empire),and the ancient knowledge was abused (astrology for example) and then a The Holy Bible was created on the form of a Zodiac? making a Jesus Christ a Ophiuchus (all powerfull healer) and his 12 followers?apostoles-possible 12 signs of a Zodiac?
All that stuff its present in the modern documentaries and books today.

But is it really the truth what matters these days?
Or we would be fooled over and over again...

But you know fool cant be fooled again







If astrology wants a bliss in this developing society,It needs to solve major issues concerning accuracy of given material,well mostly lost by the centuries but I think It has a capacity to grow,well after all it is a most magical science of all,and most considered funny.

Truth beyond all

Poor old Ophiuchus: As Satan was also known as the serpent, As in Adam and Eve, no wonder he fell from the heavens and off the Astrology Constellation  It was not also the time to be a serpent,  when the Romans a conversion to Christianity, or when St Patrick drove the serpents out of Ireland ( Druids  and pagans ) I do stop and wonder though, as the Serpent stood for Wisdom and Knowledge.

Qui!

I'm aware of the whole Ophiuchus constellation being actually there, but never heard about this theory regarding Christianity before.
I read that Sagittarius was supposed to be Jesus Christ. And Scorpio was supposed to be umm, the evil dude.

That's not really a new date range, it's the actual positions of the sun in those constellations. Centuries ago, Ophiuchus just wasn't in that circle. The positions shifted after so many years. People are just sticking to their calendar.

But if things shifted in the sky, doesn't it affect Astrology at all?

I'm in support the new dates, (im more of a sidereal person)but having an additional sign is somewhat strange. If this Ophiuchus is really part of the zodiac, it would spoil the whole balance of things.  Triplicities & Quadruplicities won't be Triplicities & Quadruplicities if there's going to be one more member. I remember Ophiuchus is supposed to be a water sign, so I generally just prefer thinking that it's the same with Scorpio.

Sun is actually in position almost one sign shorter then "normal".For example it enters Aries on april 20th and in modern astrology it is march 20.What I think astrology is not about planets and constellations,it is about energy ans planets are just guides for us on the earth to recognize that particular energy in time.
For example,when spring comes you feel that even if you do not know anything about astrology or even what is the date or month whatsoever.You feel that energy blooming in you.And what did "the ancients" done?They noticed Sun circular path and they draw the circle,later they noticed seasons or major changes inside the circle,and then they called them equinoxes or action points (cardinal points) or initiation of change in nature,the beginning of new season.As Aries (new birth of child has begun (earth)),Cancer(Crystallizing process),Libra,Capricorn.Later they realized that after initial change or equinox (after a month) the stabilized,changed,fixed for a while,very stable nature,which does not mean no changes (like wind,rain,or...),just it is more controlled and intensive and fixed in a way of expression.As Taurus (the may beauty after blooming a month before,earthly grace),Leo (the most hottest month in the year,Sun intensity its highest),Scorpio (the mystic wet month of regeneration),and Aquarius (The wild wind month,supported by rain,unpredictable,stormy, which prepares earth for the knew beginning,and Pisces ends a circle).And of course "mutable area"- It is very light and relaxed and more easygoing period of nature.It is necessarily for nature to release the stable period cause it needs to transform.So mutable months are releasing the pressure which nature has made passing trough a stable periods,middle of the seasons. Gemini (month when nature is collecting all pieces together as it was broken after "the bull month" couldnt hold it all so in beauty anymore),Virgo (Month of scanning the earth,like earth decided to take a brake after Sun has filled It with incredible energy that for that reason it needs to prepare for the rest (Libra-fall of the Sun).Scorpios intense kingdom brakes with coming of brave horses,the month of Sagittarius.Pisces- It is an mystical month,intense but lighthearted,quiet and all consuming,ending the 12 periods of process which is effecting us in a HUGE DEAL in every day life and a lot of modern people are simply not aware of this important nature process,in fact they do know,but do not follow it astrologicaly.Why I was writing all this?Because I wanted to remember my self,and you mystic people... maybe if I have succeeded.When we are born we are put to the influence of natures currently situation,was it may,june or august it shapes us different but we all use power of the nature,nothing else,it is so simple.And astrology is a tool for that. It is not about the star constellations,it is an invented thing like whole astrology comes from imagination,and you need a lot of imagination to interpret it.Imagine...If a Sun has moved trough the constellations for some degrees trough centuries it has changed the whole system of a nature which was familiar and well known to our ancestors.
What I mean is,the nature is mutating trying to adjust the situation.And also not to forget that Ozon has weakened by the time and globalization.All together produces a mass mutations on the earth like global warming,huge flood which are so familiar these days and typhoons of course,most of all,so we have all elements "Going insane".
Global warming -The Sun (fire), Floods - The rivers (water), Typhoons (the wind),and the element of earth its fighting with all that.Do you think that it effects the astrology too? Well It does,but not the science,it is all fine and Taurus is going nowhere from fat books of educated astrologers.People are effected cause we contain and consume that elements we are maid from water,we drink it.We breathe air and feed our entire body trough blood with air.We are walking under Sun,even when we arent directly on the Sun it effect us heating the air and earth and water.So lets think about it for a second.Astrology needs adjustment instantly cause it isnt the same like it was centuries ago.As we reach the Age of Aquarius the major changes are gonna happen and people will sit in their living rooms reading about weekly horoscope in newspapers convinced that they are particular sign,and that is really what they are.Well their are a lot more.I am not a guy with Sun in Gemini,Ascendant in Leo and moon in Pisces in western astrology.I contain all the elements in me like any other individual,but as considered these are really close few ones which I use more and there is nothing really what I can change,of course if we consider that these informations are accurate.But it is so not true what other people say about me and what they see,and what I see in general.So I took my time to calculate some other zodiacs like Sidereal zodiac and Chinese zodiac and even Janam Kundali.In Chinese I am fire rabbit,and Janam Kundali calculated my Sun,moon,mercury,venus,mars in Leo, Jupiter in Aries,Saturn in Scorpio??Incredible!!!!What to beleive????Nothing of course!Just fooling around on the net and asking money,promising a change in lifes and If you dont know what you are,astrology will tell you...It is so not true people!Wake up.
Enviroment has changed,even if I cant possibly know how it was 1000 years before,but It has changed in couple of years and imagine 4000 or 8000 years??!!!
Awareness is growing among people.We all are expanding our conscience.(I do that...Do you do that?)And I use astrology as a tool for that.To merge energies around me to become one.I consider astrology beautiful science which has lost the real key by the ages of evolution and abuse of modern world as we know how it works today.
Well,I am in love with nature,so that makes astrology my mistress,so to speak.About Ophichus,this topic it is not really needed as I taught it was....which constellation really doesnt matter.Doesnt matter at all.Important is what nature says in particular moment,moment of a birth of a child,and today that is not possible to say anymore.
Personally I wont astrology to become more important in world but I realize It needs major changes and adoption with nature to be reborn again,and I am ready to put my will in that cause.

Greetings to all,

Truth beyond all

Luxor