Sub : Whether astrology is a science ?

It is always under hot controversy as to whether astrology is a science or blind-faith. This controversy has taken new dimensions when some Universities came forward to teach this so-called science as art. There is clear cut division in the opinion of scientists and orthodox community regarding predictive astrology. But no body has ever tried to unearth the actual foundation of the astrological principles on which whole structure of astrology was erected beside analysing it in view of the latest scientific knowledge about the Universe and Solar system.

Have you ever ponder as to why and how :-
- twelve signs was allotted to seven planets ?
- it was believed there is enmity and friendship between some planets ?
- various aspect i.e. full, quarter to full, half and quarter aspect were decided ?
- it was believed that Sun is exalted at 10 deg. of Aries sign ?
- it was decided that various planets are exalted / debilitated at some deg.?
- it was decided that most powerful and hub of our solar system, Sun has 6 years vinshottary dasha whereas Venus has 20 years ?
- various constellations was allotted between nine planets with different vinshottary dasha ?
- order of days of a week was decided ?
- it was decided that retrograde motion of Rahu Ketu is fixed 3-11 Kala?
- it was decided that Rahu Ketu are 180 deg. apart ?
.....
.....
etc. etc. ?
Thus there may be endless questions, with a further question as to whether present contention is correct? but I am sure that you will find specific or a direction to get your answer in the book.


When I experienced that same planetary position never came out with the same result. Thereafter I decided to find out the basic information, knowledge and concept as to how various fundamental principles of astrology were formulated, so that this knowledge may either be supported scientifically or may be scrapped altogether with new scientific information.

I have not only conducted in-depth research but also scientifically analysed all basic astrological principles relating to Lord, Friendship, Aspect, Retrograde, Set, Exalted - debilitated, Vinshottary periodicity etc. along with review of Krishnamurti system.

I found that how astrological principles were formulated by our sages in the primitive age on the basis of primitive knowledge about the Universe and subsequently predictive astrology was absorbed by the Indian society due to high respect towards sages. You will surprise to know that astrology was actually developed on the basis of myth that Sun is nearest planet from the stationery Earth and Moon is far away in comparison to the Sun and all other stars are just above the Moon.

No attention was ever paid to this side of the astrology due to non-availability of the basis of knowledge and circumstances, which leads to formulation of astrological principles in present shape. This whole scenario of present astrology either leads to infuse confusion in the mind of new generation or they remain aloof from this knowledge.

I pointed out glaring mistakes in every astrological principle in view of latest astronomy and due to effect of ayanansh and proved on the basis of many data that effective astrological Rahu / Ketu are neither 180° apart. I also pointed out substantial variation in the position and retrograde motion of Rahu / Ketu.

After lot of research I wrote an original book on astrology “Jyotish - Kitna sahi kitna galat” in Hindi. The book containing about 325 pages was published by Gyan Mandir in 2003.

This book contains the details of enormous change required in every principle after disclosing the basic ingredient, which leads our sages to formulate the principles. For example it is discovered for the first time that how Rahu-Ketu are not 180º apart from each other and there mutual position continuously changes from 165º to 195º and there retrograde motion 3’ 11” may also be change to direct motion for astrological purpose. In this way not only every principle is out of date but position of Rahu-Ketu are also not correct in any horoscope. You will know that how Rahu-Ketu are not effective on places situated about above 23 degree latitude.

Such science based original revolutionary book in astrology, based on research work is being made available for the first time. This book has a unique and revolutionary approach due to scientific background hence it will be a foundation stone in the coming days and able to change the concept of astrology it-self by switching it to scientific stream. Many astrologer have also gone through the book but they have nothing to say on the research and they are only interested in their business. In the opinion of many reader, this book may completely change primitive astrological concept with logical and scientific approach in view of the revolutionary concept contained in the book by which you can scientifically workout the impact of every planet and accordingly amend your deed. Because though nature and planet have their impact but we have knowledge, imagination, wisdom by which we may very well deviate our action to take maximum benefit of the celestial position of the planets. On the demand of reader this book is being published in English from Delhi with a title ‘Astrology – a science or myth’.

If you are interested to know more about the research and book then you may write on my email with your questions for early reply.

Sanat Kumar Jain
2, Wagle’s Bada
Dal Bazar, Gwalior - 474 009
Ph. 0751-2626868
Email - sanatkumar_jain@rediffmail.com

the moment one thinks that its a myth, there's no point in hanging around here

Sub : Whether astrology is a science ?
Dear friend,
I read your comments on my blog “Astrology a science or myth” dated 1-8-2005. Though I reply only on my emails yet I like to reply on your comment. I hope you will go through it and reply me on my email.

I think you are perhaps shocked to read the title and decided to ran away after offering comment of one line instead of going through the blog. It would have been more useful for the readers of the blog if you tried to logically answer various questions raised in the blog. Though you have immense faith over astrology and after going through various books in the matter you have also started to believe that astrology is a science as is usually mentioned in every book. Therefore, you are not prepared to hear any thing against your belief.

Because you are not prepared even to think that astrology is a myth, it means you believe that it is a science (which is beyond the reach of present scientists). But scientist of every field always tried to find the truth and mysteries of the universe. If there is some mistake in a principle then they try to solve it. They never say that they are not prepared to hear anything against any outdated principle. It is only due to science and acceptability of modern concept that’s why you are using computers, internet etc. and what not.
As an intelligent person you may be agree that every research is based on the then knowledge. In the same way, when astrology was being developed by sage Parashar etc. At that time it was believed that Earth is in the center of the Universe and stationary. Beside this it was also believed (you may read any old scriptures) that Sun is nearer from the Earth, whereas Moon is beyond Sun. All constellations are situated in between Mercury and Moon. At that time our sages were neither aware of Uranus, Neptune, Pluto etc nor they were aware that solar and lunar eclipses occurred due to presence of Moon and shadow of Earth. That’s why they have developed the concept of Rahu and Ketu with retrograde motion of 3’11”. It was mentioned in the Grahlaghav that eclipse occurred when Rahu/Ketu came within 14 degree on Amavasya or Puranmashi. But can you answer that why there was no lunar eclipse when Sun, Moon and Rahu were at 203.01, 23.01 and 34.43 degree on 08-11-1984 (Rahu was within 11.42 degree) or at Sun, Moon and Ketu were at 319.74, 139.74 and 150.26 degree on 03-03-1988 ( Ketu was within 10.52 degree). Likewise Solar eclipses occurred even when difference between Moon and Rahu was more then 14°. Sun and Moon were at 94.24 deg., whereas Rahu was at 79.04 deg. on 21-07-1982 (Rahu was 15.20 deg. away). Sun and Moon were at 76.49 deg., whereas Rahu was at 91.93 deg. on 02-07-2000 (Rahu was 15.14 deg. away).

To give a modern scientific colour to the astrology, you will also find in many modern astrological books that eclipse occurred at the intersection point of orbit of the Sun and Moon (though it was not known to our sages and Rahu Ketu were created on the basis of myth). Thus it is clear that at the time of full solar eclipse, when Moon happens to be just over the Sun than Rahu must also be there. But As per almanac Ketu was shown at 194 and 177 degree on 12-11-1985 and 3-10-1986 (refer any almanac) respectively when there were full solar eclipse and position of Sun/Moon were at 206 and 166 degree respectively. You will agree that when there were full solar eclipses then on these dates either Rahu or Ketu must be at 206 and 166 degree respectively, because only then full solar eclipse may possible. Whereas Ketu was being shown at 194 and 177 degrees in almanac. Thus there was clear mistake of about 12 and 11 degrees respectively. All horoscopes are defective in this light and due to this fundamental positional variation, prediction is also effected. If you want then I can give many more examples and very simple method of detecting them.

To cut short I will like to emphasise that if you don’t like to categorise the astrology as a myth then think positive and always prepare to enrich it with scientific concept and try to understand that Primitive concept (when astrology was developed) which requires full overhauling in view of modern scientific research.
I hope now you will try to answer as to why and how :-
- twelve signs was allotted to seven planets ?
- it was believed there is enmity and friendship between some planets ?
- various aspect i.e. full, quarter to full, half and quarter aspect were decided ?
- it was believed that Sun is exalted at 10 deg. of Aries sign ?
- it was decided that various planets are exalted / debilitated at some deg.?
- it was decided that most powerful and hub of our solar system, Sun has 6 years vinshottary dasha whereas Venus has 20 years ?
- various constellations was allotted between nine planets with different vinshottary dasha ?
- order of days of a week was decided ?
- it was decided that retrograde motion of Rahu Ketu is fixed 3-11 Kala?
- it was decided that Rahu Ketu are 180 deg. apart ?
.....
.....
etc. etc. ?
Thus there may be endless questions, with a further question as to whether present contention is correct?

After lot of research I wrote an original book on astrology “Jyotish - Kitna sahi kitna galat” in Hindi. This book contains the details of enormous change required in every principle after disclosing the basic ingredient, which leads our sages to formulate the principles.

If you are interested to know more about the research and book then you may write on my email with your questions for early reply.

Sanat Kumar Jain
2, Wagle’s Bada
Dal Bazar, Gwalior - 474 009
Ph. 0751-2626868
Email - sanatkumar_jain@rediffmail.com

Greetings:

The mechanics of astrology have long been a personal obsession of mine. If astrology truely works it must obey the physical laws of the universe. If it obeys physical laws, there must be a way to test any "Astrology Effect".

There are distinct differences between Vedic and Western astrology. I can not claim to be any thing close to a expert on Vedic Astrology. I simply have not had the experience with it to even care about defending any of it's principles. On the other hand, I have been a student of Western astrology for more than 30 years and while I do not agree with all the claims that some astrologers would make, I do see some very some very sound principles that should stand up the even the most rigirous scientific scutiny.

I have studied a wide variety of the research done to prove or disprove astrological principles, and have found both favor and fault with both. If you are looking for a meaningful dialog about technics of analyzing an astrological effect I would be please to engage in one.

Ben

this truly is so interesting

I have myself pondered over these Qs for hours but I have had no logical-satisfying answers

the only rational that was provided was the "Divya-drishti" of our ancient seers, but having said that all these years of my practicing astrology these things have worked for me...

Its one thing that I have no clue as to why the Mahadasha Period of Sun is 6yrs and that of Venus is 20 yrs but the again having understood how to study a Dasha and planetary effects I have been able to predict correctly and accurately on numerous occasions but I will admit that when one follows tha Parashari system, one has to heavily rely on his intuition and I have seen the way KP works...it has set scientfic guidelines to many many things, but still I dunno why the Parashari system works for me...

Then again, I am sure your book might provide great insights into the logistics of how our system works, but just tell us how u researched and went about finding the answers to the gr8 puzzles like friends-enemies, exaltted-debilited and the other things you've mentioned above

Also, Sir, honestly speaking it will be really difficult to change ones style of studying a chart especially when its working for you, but I am open to all the views and myself want the answers for these amazing Qs
Hope to hear from you soon
SaHiL