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The devil and Satan
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As entities these are figments of the imagination of a group of religious people with a wish to control the minds of those less likely to think and decern for themselves.  It gave a convenient out to the behaviour of a humanity gone to the evil side of life.

There is good and evil.  It is in the minds of human beings.  We are capable of either.  We choose to be one or the other.  When we place blame on a 3rd party in the mix, we have abrogated our personal responsibility for our own actions.  The growth of spirit and spirituality is dependant upon that personal responsibility for progress.
Inexplicability of Maya
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Spirit talk;

When God enters the human body in the incarnation
God mixes a little of His inexplicability or Maya
With a characteristic of the human body so that
The imaginable characteristic of the human body becomes
A little unimaginable, which can be called as wonderful.
The word wonderful indicates a little higher state than
Explicability and much lower state than full inexplicability.
It is like the roof of a house, which is higher than the floor
But much lower than the sky, you can grasp it
And at the same time can not understand it.
For example the human body has an explicable characteristic
Called as “ Lifting power” by lifting a suitable stone.
The boy Krishna can lift a small stone, which is
Explicable characteristic of the body boy, the nature,
Nature or Prakruti is explicable by your analysis.
A crane can lifts a small mountain, it is also explicable
But the boy lifted the hill on his finger, this is wonderful,
Because the lifting of mountain is grasped by you
Since you can imagine the crane lifting the hill.
But little inexplicability comes when the boy lifts the hill
The boy, little lifting power of boy, crane lifting the hill,
All these are explicable signs of the nature, fully grasped
Among these explicable concepts only one concept lies
Which is inexplicable that is the boy lifting the hill
Assuming that the power of the crane is in the boy,
Can that tender body withstand that much power?
The material of work is metal in the crane, it can withstand,
But the body is a tender flower, how it withstood?
One inexplicable point mixed with several explicable points
Is called as wonder, it is a diluted inexplicability.
The full inexplicability is unbearable to human beings.
Even this wonder causes so much anxiety and thrill,
Some times it leads to the failure of the heart by shock.
Can anyone withstand the full inexplicability, if shown?
If Krishna stands by uplifting the entire earth on his finger,
The devotee will collapse with the shock of surprise.
He showed the entire world in His mouth to His mother
She could not withstand the vision and became unconscious.
The most confusing point in that vision is that
She along with Krishna is also found in His mouth!
The scene of vision and the entire site is in His mouth!!
He showed the entire cosmos within His body to Arjuna
The cosmic energy will burn the eye sight of Arjuna
Therefore He gave the inner divine sight by which only
Arjuna could see the entire Electro magnetic spectrum,
Which is in the form of the world, energy in the units of matter.
Therefore the Lord shows tolerable miracles only,
Which you can see even with your physical eyes.
Miracles are wonderful, which are diluted inexplicabilities.
When you see a vision, you become shocked with excitement
As long as you believe the vision is true, the shock continues.
To save the devotee, a doubt in the mind of the devotee arises
By which he thinks that whether the vision is illusion.
This doubt neutralizes the shock and arose by His will only
In Gita the Lord says “ Mattah Smrutih Jnanam”, which means
That the same Lord gives true knowledge and also the doubt.
Jnanam or knowledge is the imaginable sign of the human body.
When the Lord entered into the human body in incarnation,
A little of His inexplicability or Maya enters jnanam.
Now His knowledge becomes wonderful, which is both
Understandable and little unimaginable, hence wonderful.
Such divine knowledge is Prajnanam or special knowledge.
The Upasarga or suffix “Pra” means wonderful specialty.
This will help you to detect the existence of His place.
Veda says “Asti Ityeva” which means, “only existence is known”.
Thus devotee who believes Him knows him a little.
This little awareness of God is the experience of God
You can not experience the full nature of God, because
You can not withstand the quantitative aspect of His Maya
You have tasted a little water from the sea and you can tell
That the sea is saltish, that is sufficient since you tasted the sea.
The entire sea cannot and need not be swallowed by you to say
That the sea is saltish, the qualitative conclusion is same
Whether you taste a drop or the entire ocean itself.
You can know through the miracle that God is inexplicable.
You need not understand the entire quantity of His power,
Which is impossible and you can not withstand it.
Veda says “ Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma”, it means
That the special knowledge of the Lord is infinite.
The devotee can never receive that entire special knowledge
After receiving a little special knowledge, he can conclude
That His special knowledge is infinite and unimaginable.
A person who took a tumbler of water from the sea-
And a person who took a pot of water from the sea-
Both can say that the sea is infinite.
Let the tumbler not think that the pot has swallowed the whole sea,
Let the pot not be proud that the tumbler has not taken even a drop.
Let the scholar not think that he received entire knowledge,
Let him not think that ignorant people have no knowledge.


At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

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It is not I who thinks I know it all...check your own mirror.  God is living spirit in all lives...when we allow this we are growing in spirit and spirituality.  When we have completed what the earth offers our lives, we pass into a spirit realm of continued understanding of all things spiritual.

God is not a human being.  A human being is not God.  God is not a pronoun.  It is more a description of His spirit in all life and living.
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Thx spiritalk
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spiritalk wrote:
It is not I who thinks I know it all...check your own mirror.  God is living spirit in all lives...when we allow this we are growing in spirit and spirituality.  When we have completed what the earth offers our lives, we pass into a spirit realm of continued understanding of all things spiritual.

God is not a human being.  A human being is not God.  God is not a pronoun.  It is more a description of His spirit in all life and living.


spiritalk;

Lord in human form preaches the true knowledge. But miracles are required to convert atheists into theists. Sometimes people approach gurus, who show powers thinking to exploit those powers for their selfish end. They want to use that power to cure some big diseases of family members, to get solutions of their long-standing family problems etc. Such people are not bothered of Lord but concentrate on His power. They are in hurry to get their problems solved. They will finally end up in such people, who in turn loot them.

When one is desirous of lord only without selfish intention, He will definitely find Him (human form) only. Our pious desire attracts Him and our selfish bad odour repels Him (Going to satguru is nor for erecting empires and dynasties on earth, in which case we are not eligible to go near to Him). Like any normal human being expects a Satguru, a Satguru expects a Sathsishya (who wants to serve Him without any desire).

Mostly people love Lord for their desires to be fulfilled. If something goes wrong or if things are out of control then we rush to lord and start prayers etc.  This devotion is like a prostitute loving her customer. If one really loves Lord without any desire, then only Lord will be pleased. When a beggar approaches us, we generally offer him whatever is least useful to us. But, when a relative comes to our house, we provide him with good food, facilities and even ask him to stay for some more time. Why is the difference in our approach? Beggar comes to us for what we give. He is not having any love on us. Whereas a relative has not come for our food and facilities, he has come to see us. This shows the love.

So, our approach to Lord should be with love and affection as relative but not like beggar, who approaches us only for satisfying the desires. We should not worship lord only to satisfy our desire. Prayers by words, meditation by mind and intelligence in spiritual discussions form a preliminary level of worship. The devotee should search for a Satguru or Lord in human form (like Jesus, Krishna and Prophet Mohammed) to learn the divine knowledge. After gaining the divine knowledge from the Lord in human form, at His directive only he should participate in His service in the mission.
God can enter two human bodies at a time
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