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Spirituality
spiritalk


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is not attained.  We are spirit now.  Spirituality is the urge within to grow and change.  

We have tools of our own consciousness (visualization, meditation, affirmation) that work to accomplish our own awareness and unfoldment of this spirituality within.
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spiritalk wrote:
is not attained.  We are spirit now.  Spirituality is the urge within to grow and change.  

We have tools of our own consciousness (visualization, meditation, affirmation) that work to accomplish our own awareness and unfoldment of this spirituality within.


The Lord is always kindest and is interested in the happiness of all the human beings that are His children only. Gita says that the Lord is the father of all the living beings (Aham Bija Pradah Pita). The father always tries to favour His children and likes to see His children to be always happy. Originally only good path was created and all the human beings were permanently happy forever.

There was no trace of sorrow in their minds. That was called ‘Kruta Yuga’ or ‘Satya Yuga’ in which the deity of justice was standing on four legs. But in due course of time the continuous happiness started boring the human beings. One cannot eat sweets continuously. This reminds the “Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility” in Economics. They were bored and started feeling unhappy. Their minds were disturbed due to continuous happiness.

Therefore there was a need of break in the continuous happiness. That break can be only sorrow, which can be the fruit of sin only. Therefore the chilies were needed as breaks in the continuous eating of sweets.

Only for the happiness of His children, the Lord created the sin. He gave freedom to the souls so that they commit the sins and earn the chilies. Then the Lord arranged the life cycles by keeping sweets and chilies alternatively. Such arrangement alone can bring the real permanent happiness without boring. If it is continuous winter, you will get bored.

Summer is necessary. If it is continuous daytime it will be boring. Night is necessary. Even in the food the Lord created both sweets and chilies so that His children will enjoy the meals without boring. While eating the food, people will eat sweet dishes and hot dishes alternatively. Similarly the life cycle was arranged. Therefore creation of sin originally by the Lord shows only the infinite kindness of the Lord for His children.

Even if you have done two sins continuously, He is not giving the results of those two sins subsequently. In between these two sins a sweet result of good deed is penetrated so that the whole life cycle is an alternative arrangement of sweet and hot dishes i.e., results of good deeds and bad deeds. Such arrangement also shows the infinite kindness of the Lord for His children.

But what are you doing? You are pestering the God by showing false love through words (prayers) and mind (devotion) for removing the chilies and for getting sweets continuously. Since your love is not true, the Lord will not interfere with the theory of Karma, which says that one must enjoy the results of good and bad deeds. Therefore when you are pestering the Lord He is bringing the sweets from your future cycles as pre-matured fixed deposits with reduced values.

He is postponing your present chilies to the future cycles with added interests. Therefore as you are passing through the life cycles you are slowly entering such life cycles in which you are finding many number of chilies and less number of sweets. Remember that your future cycles are going to be full of chilies only without a single sweet.

In such life cycles the Lord cannot help you even if you cry to any extent. Then you are loosing your faith in the Lord and you will do sins only in such life cycles. Such sins will create further life cycles full of chilies only. Like this a chain reaction is set up and there is no end for such cycles of chilies and finally you will be born as a worm in drainage, which continuously undergoes misery only.

By doing rituals and doing certain worships and donations as suggested by astrologers, your sin is not cancelled and you will not get the fruit of a good deed, which was not done by you. These rituals suggested by priests and astrologers are of two types. 1) Trying to please the Lord by prayers (words) and devotion or meditation (mind). This type resembles the path of a prostitute who tries to please a person by words and feelings only to get some fruit from that person practically.

2) Trying to please the Lord by sacrificing work (Karma Sanyasa) and by sacrificing fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) for getting some fruit from the Lord in return. This is the type of business of a merchant in which you give something and take something in return. In both these ways your future sweets are only brought to this life cycle and your present chilies are pushed to your future life cycles, because your love in these two ways is completely false.

In true love you will do Karma Sanyasa and Karma Phala Tyaga without aspiring any fruit in return. Of course sacrifice of words and mind to the Lord without aspiring any fruit in return is good, but cannot bring any fruit from the Lord. When you sacrifice words and mind, you are getting peace and pleasure in your heart and that it self is the fruit for that. When you are working in a field you are singing a song.

The owner of the field will pay for your work only but not for your singing. The work alone can bring the fruit, which is called Karma Yoga that consists of Karma Sanyasa and Karma Phala Tyaga. While doing Karma Yoga you may chant or sing or express devotion for your peace and your happiness only. That cannot bring any fruit from the Lord. EX: Suppose you work in the field for one hour and sing the songs for another hour without doing the work, the owner will pay you for one hour only and not for two hours.

There is only one path to get rid of the fruits of your sins and to get the fruit of good deeds, which you have not done. When you serve the Lord in human form here in this world, the Lord in human form will transfer your sins upon Him and will suffer for your sake. As a servant of the Lord, you are entering the second cycle called ‘Deva Yaana’ or ‘Jyothir Marga’ as explained in Gita. You will go to Brahmaloka along with the Lord and derive continuous happiness here and there in the presence of the Lord.

But in this path you should serve the Lord without aspiring any fruit and even this path. Such selfless service consists of Karma Sanyasa as done by Hanuman to Rama and Karma Phala Tyaga as done by Gopikas by offering butter to Krishna. In this path recognition of human incarnation of the Lord is very very important. The Lord comes in every human generation. Otherwise the Lord becomes partial to a particular human generation.

Hanuman and Gopikas never worshipped statues or photos of previous incarnations or the Gods present in the upper worlds like Brahma, Vishnu, Siva etc. In human body only, the Lord can enjoy your sins really as any other human being. Then only He can do the justice to the Law of Justice. Otherwise in the form of a statue or a photo He cannot enjoy your sins and therefore the Lord is never entering the statue or photo as said in Veda ‘Natasya Pratima Asti’.

Therefore the original creation of sin by God cannot be blamed. In fact it shows His infinite kindness to see His children to be really happy with alternative enjoyment of sweet and hot dishes.
Interesting....
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Justifying failure to find happiness is always a good approach to negating our personal responsibility.  But, in the end of all time, you will judge your own accomplishments...not God, not someone else...YOU!  And when you are found wanting in some, and successful in others, you will see how spirit within has been your best tool and you gave it away in simple beliefs of earning God's wrath instead of His love.

We are human beings made up of body, mind, spirit.  The physical body vibrates with energies of material existence and is the most enticing as we live in this physical body.  We seek and find our happiness in such temporary things, people, places, instead of seeking our own growth.  The spirit is a duplicate of the physical and can only be enhanced and grow through all the experiences of the individual...the good, the bad, the ugly...in every life.  The mind governs all and is the conductor of our thoughts.  Sowing from positive thoughts allows positive reaping...the same is true of negativity.  We have these choices in our free will.

The spirit is eternal.  It grows and grows through all experiences.  As some believe the afterlife is also a learning ground, there is only change and growth through eternity to find that perfect soul for God's garden.  The important aspect of our exitence in these 3 aspects is that we learn to understand ourselves, while they are combined to make the whole.  Each experience in any energy (material, mental, emotional, physical,) will colour our existence as an eternal  soul.
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Justifying failure to find happiness is always a good approach to negating our personal responsibility.  But, in the end of all time, you will judge your own accomplishments...not God, not someone else...YOU!  And when you are found wanting in some, and successful in others, you will see how spirit within has been your best tool and you gave it away in simple beliefs of earning God's wrath instead of His love.

We are human beings made up of body, mind, spirit.  The physical body vibrates with energies of material existence and is the most enticing as we live in this physical body.  We seek and find our happiness in such temporary things, people, places, instead of seeking our own growth.  The spirit is a duplicate of the physical and can only be enhanced and grow through all the experiences of the individual...the good, the bad, the ugly...in every life.  The mind governs all and is the conductor of our thoughts.  Sowing from positive thoughts allows positive reaping...the same is true of negativity.  We have these choices in our free will.

The spirit is eternal.  It grows and grows through all experiences.  As some believe the afterlife is also a learning ground, there is only change and growth through eternity to find that perfect soul for God's garden.  The important aspect of our exitence in these 3 aspects is that we learn to understand ourselves, while they are combined to make the whole.  Each experience in any energy (material, mental, emotional, physical,) will colour our existence as an eternal  soul.


spiritalk;


Lord is substratum of the whole creation and hence forms base. Without Him creation cannot sustain. Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. Otherwise, He is not responsible for one's deeds.

Creation is in Lord but Lord is not the creation. But such a Lord can enter creation at the request of devotees who wants Him only and His service. He comes down to give four fortunes to His devotees (to talk, to touch, co-living and to serve).
God is Creator
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Yes, God is creator of all.  With human existence is free will choice.  It is based on natural law.  God does not have to judge us right or wrong...we do that for ourselves through the operation of natural law.  Yes, we will pay for our transgressions...but not as punishment, but as the operation of natural law....Law of Attraction, Law of Cause and Effect, Law of Opposites, Law of Polarity...just a few we have identified...so much more is in place for the outpouring of life.  The Law of Love is of course the most effective...it is the key to the universe.

Do we need to worship this creator?  Well, as part of that creation is within all humanity, we would end up worshiping self or another human being.  God is all!  The central source of all energies of life reside at that source.  We merely create our circumstances based on the spark of that source.
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