I am going to sit back and think on this ... maybe it is the words you use .. maybe I am not sure I understand your point.

I think times have changed - some good some bad .. I think the instant an adult thinks a child should obey - is wrong!  I think we have to earn a childs respect and trust - yes a little back wards from what we were taught as a child ............. but I say this for good reason .. If you respect a child and earn his trust .......the rest falls into place!

As for the way you wrote this .. I felt as if you were talking about a dog not a child!

As for the way you wrote this .. I felt as if you were talking about a dog not a child! (Deborah quote)

That's why you should think rather than go on what you feel I said.  

(Stan's question and quote) Discipline and Obedience are two subjects that are so vital and yet so tragically misunderstood by most of us, that it may be well to go a little more deeply into discussion of them. Should children obey, unquestioningly, passively, with no volition of their own?

No!  They should not!!!  

Communication Communication communication!

I understand where you are coming from. Of what benefit is communication to the child? I mean what are we teaching by way of example would you think? lol